Trope Talk: Dragons

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  • Dohee Cha
    Dohee Cha 30 minutes ago

    ancient philippine mythology has the bakunawa who rises from the sea to swallow the moon whole and was defeated by a moon goddess uwu

  • Sayler Phillips
    Sayler Phillips Hour ago

    I have this theory that the idea of dragons is so ridiculously widespread because of dinosaur fossils, which look just like dragons without the actual muscle anatomy. Dino fossils can be found pretty much everywhere , ancient civilizations dug them up on accident and went ‘Dam, this thing was huge! It just have been so magical and powerful!’ and it developed from there. I dunno tbh, maybe it’s dumb, but like the Greeks got Cyclops from elephant skulls, soooo maybe?

  • Jacob Marion
    Jacob Marion Hour ago

    As a fellow lover of world mythology, there are actually several other dragonic figures in world religions not mentioned here that I've come across in my research.
    Native peoples of North America actually have many giant serpents in their mythologies. The Horned Serpent is a sacred many tribes in the Great Lakes and South Eastern woodlands, sometimes as a monster or evil being opposing Thunderbird and sometimes as a sacred icon, often depicted as a giant serpent with iridescent scales and a giant, crystal horn. The Seneca also have a myth of the Gaasyendietha, a dragon said to have come from a meteorite who lives in Lake Ontario and leaves a trail of fire as it flies across the sky.Tribes of the Pacific Northwest also have the Sisiutl, a fish-like serpent with a head on either end of its body and a third head in between that was associated with shamans and death.
    There's also the Slavic myth of the god of the underworld, Veles, who was often depicted as a great serpent, being defeated by the thunder god and culture hero, Perun. Hey! Another storm god defeating dragon myth! Slavic mythology also has the Zmey, multi-headed European style dragons that symbolized evil and may have been allegories for the conflict between Slavs and Turks.

  • SarthorS
    SarthorS 4 hours ago

    Since when did all D&D dragons have the ability to turn into humans? Is this something that was added after 3rd edition?

  • Camisado
    Camisado 4 hours ago

    The lore around Nordic dragons has been extremely bastardized.
    Jormungandr, Midgardsormr if you will, is a representation of the Ond. The breath of Odin that breathes life into all things. The very spirit of the people. The idea that Thor would destroy this, was most likely made up by Christians, or emerged later as a play on Christians converting Scandinavia.
    Nidhoggr is not evil, and does not kill people. His poison unmakes the bodies of the dead in order to free their spirit.
    Fafnir is not technically a dragon. In fact none of them are. They're lyndworms. Anyway, Fafnir was a Dwarven king who became one due to greed.

  • Billy Mills
    Billy Mills 4 hours ago

    Dragon mostly translates to serpent, take Dracul for example, it was a tidal held by Vlad Tepes the first of Wallachia, who was called the Dragon and the Snake as he was cruel to his subjects, Vlad Tepes the second was called Dracula which means son of the Dragon, however properly translated reads "the Serpent's heir", I believe that is why its such a common trope, without the context it can mean just about anything.

  • Skittle Barf
    Skittle Barf 4 hours ago

    I cannot believe you forgot the most important and iconic dragon in our culture. This is honestly beyond disappointing. Does the ender dragon mean nothing to you?

  • A Name
    A Name 7 hours ago +1

    Would you ever consider doing a trip talk on the imperfect perfect world the wild that the characters get trapped in and it’s perfect and filled there every wish but there’s just something wrong because it’s not real. That whole no matter how perfect a fantasy is it will still be wrong because it’s not real and real life is still better because only then do you actually get relief and closure

  • gabigo
    gabigo 7 hours ago

    my favorite type of dragons are the super massive roided up ones with muscular human-like biceps and abs...
    basically porunga from dragon ball z.

  • Arcanewolf
    Arcanewolf 8 hours ago

    The game Dragalia lost often has a loose definition as to what makes a dragon a dragon. The designs in this game range from the typical DnD style dragon to dragons that look like: Birds, Bears, Cats, Wolves, Unicorns, and rabbits. The most common design next to the classical dragon is the human dragon. Its just a human with horns, wings and a tail.
    There is a line of dialogue in the game where a faerie claims that faeries are distant kin to dragons when a dragon character says they sensed the presence of another dragon. In response to this the dragon says "Well, there's a simple test to solve this once and for all: if you're truly a dragon, you will have a tail." That said looking at the designs of all the dragons I found that out of all 101 dragons there are two that do not have tails.

  • help i'm stuck in whatever google service this is

    and then niv-mizzet's just like TEHC

  • Wildcard Joey
    Wildcard Joey 8 hours ago

    Marduk is a case where the storm god killed one dragon and took another as a pet

  • Charlize Fulton
    Charlize Fulton 9 hours ago

    RED! You absolutely MUST start reading the book series Wings of Fire by Tui T. Sutherland. It’s about dragons and it’s super awesome!

  • Master of Dragons
    Master of Dragons 9 hours ago

    Character: *is cursed to become a dragon*
    Me if i was given that curse: *i see this as an absolute win*

  • Avnirvana Bonovika
    Avnirvana Bonovika 9 hours ago

    I just realized SCP 682 is a dragon that represents a problem that you can’t solve no matter how hard you try

  • Master of Dragons
    Master of Dragons 9 hours ago

    Dragons: exist
    Me: True perfection

  • CartwAalbiel
    CartwAalbiel 9 hours ago

    "Borrowed" wholesale ^^'

  • Man In The Closet
    Man In The Closet 9 hours ago

    You ever think about how nearly every society has a type of dragon even if they're on opposite sides of the world? Maybe they're different branches of a species? Maybe?

  • Blake Terry
    Blake Terry 9 hours ago +1

    You need to do a trope talk on world building.

  • Bill Cashion
    Bill Cashion 9 hours ago

    Okay, who else has to set Red's playback speed to 75% so they don't miss half of what she says? :)

  • AlStorm 7
    AlStorm 7 10 hours ago

    11:50 Hero’s and Hecatoncheires

  • KountKristyl
    KountKristyl 10 hours ago

    I'm just going to put my tin-foil hat on nice and tight and say that, just maybe, if cultures all over the world have a story about a Storm God doing battle with a Cthonic Serpent/Dragon then there might be some long lost historical truth to it. Maybe?
    Tin-foil hat is now off.

  • Meep
    Meep 10 hours ago

    i can make a eight-legged creature with feathers and wings and call it a dragon
    nice

  • MusicalPirate
    MusicalPirate 10 hours ago

    Y Ddraig Goch is the name of the red boi on the Welsh Flag if your wondering!

  • That One Guy
    That One Guy 10 hours ago

    Canyons & Centaurs

  • Lena
    Lena 15 hours ago

    the raven cycle does imo one of the coolest one-off appearances of a dragon in contemporary fantasy: the climax of book 2 involves a red and a white "dragon" (again with the super loose definition) wrecking a 4th of july party in a dirt lot in rural virginia. the whole thing is extremely tense, super cool, AND it references a welsh myth/prophecy (?) about two dragons fighting, with the red dragon representing wales and the white representing britain.

  • InchonDM
    InchonDM 18 hours ago

    It's not necessary for the video, but I want to give more expanded context for the dragon on Wales' flag, because it's actually REALLY important. Fair warning, this post is gonna be long, and even THIS is the basic version of this story, assembled from basic Internet sources. If it intrigues you, I urge you to go looking for more.

    The Red Dragon of Wales is one of the oldest symbols of the Britons--not the British, but the people who lived in Britain before all these Angles and Saxons and Normans sailed over to ruin everything. They were a mix of what was left of Roman Britannium and the people who had been there before Julius C. showed up (often referred to as the Celts, with a hard C). They eventually became known as the Welsh to the English, and the country they had managed to keep the English from conquering, Wales. Archaeology and reading between the lines on the later sources suggests that it was at about the time the Britons formed into a cohesive identity--the 400s A.D./5th century--that a red dragon first appeared as a Romano-British symbol, possibly for the whole people.
    (Importantly, the Welsh call themselves the _Cymry,_ and their country _Cymru,_ both of which are roughly pronounced _khemre._ Welsh is one hell of a language to learn, as both Red and Blue have observed, but Wales takes a lot of justified pride in keeping it alive.)
    The earliest _probable_ recorded source we have for the Red Dragon is "Lludd and Llefelys", an oral tradition story first written down in the 1100-1200s and later publicized in the _Mabinogion._ In that story, the red dragon is fighting an explicitly "foreign" white dragon, and the shrieks from the battle are making every May Day hell and causing miscarriages. Both dragons are a problem, because dragons, so our two folk heroes get them both drunk in Oxford and seal them underground.
    The reason this is probably the first source is because the second, which is much more firmly dated at around 828 AD, sounds very much like an interpretation/continuation of the first. This one is in the _Historia Britonnum,_ not to be confused with Geoffrey of Monmouth's later work, and many more people probably know it because it's become a foundational part of the Arthurian legends. In this, the dragons are already buried but still fighting, and their fighting keeps destroying a stronghold the king Vortigern is trying to build. Shenanigans wind up bringing the supernaturally wise youth Ambrosius (who is his own complicated web of references) into the mix, who reveals that the dragons are there. Ambrosius explicitly states that the White Dragon represents the Saxons, and the Red Dragon--who wins the fight when Vortigern frees them--represents Vortigern's people. Given the likely timeframe, these would almost certainly be the Britons, who would become the Welsh.
    As a result of these legends, the Welsh adopted the Dragon as their national icon and a symbol of their continued identity in spite of English domination. It also got cross-bled into a whole bunch of other Welsh legends, too. Owain Glyndŵr used a gold dragon as his standard when he led damn near all of Wales to rebellion in the early 1400s, and that standard was thought to have been Uther Pendragon's in the mythical past.
    The _Red_ Dragon, _y Ddraig Goch,_ takes its place firmly in the modern sense at the end of the Wars of the Roses, when Henry Tudor chose it as his standard. It was believed, according to legend, to have been the standard of the semi-mythical Welsh king Cadwaladr. Henry was born in Wales and made a lot of hay out of his Welsh ancestry, flying the Red Dragon as he landed from France and rousing a large amount of Welsh support as he went to stomp Richard III's face in at Bosworth Fields. As a result, when he gained the throne as Henry VII, the Red Dragon was added as a supporter to the English crest (the animals on the side holding it up) equivalent to the English Lion across from it. This is also where the green and white comes from, as it's the Tudor livery. The Dragon would be unceremoniously shuffled off in 1606 when the Union of Crowns happened to be replaced by Scotland's Unicorn, but the Dragon didn't need the permission of a goddamn _Englishman_ to exist.
    The Red Dragon was picked up as Wales' official icon in 1807 (though the modern flag didn't come around until 1959), and since then it has become ever more popular. To hell with the coat of arms--compared to the Unicorn or even the Lion, the Red Dragon is _inseparable_ from Wales as a concept now, and the damn thing is everywhere. Like the Welsh language, it is a source of unquenchable pride for Wales, the people that England had long ago thought it had smashed under their bootheel, and also easily the coolest out of the British Isles' various iconic creatures. The Lion and the Unicorn may have kept more power and are cool in their own right, but they're not a damn dragon, and nothing will change that.

  • Idan Chen
    Idan Chen 18 hours ago

    12:47 actually Dragons are the opposite of "GOD" according to history, you can say that "dragons = conspiracy theorist that needs to be taken down by gods children
    and that "GOD" (- or Global Organize Dominion) = the administrator that says the final word.
    And you can see that in the old testament and how "dragons" are shown as in the European dark ages and roman ages since they worshiped some guy who makes "storms"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    storms = a big mess in order to create more control over the land to rule over, for example, King David and Julius Caesar.

  • Timelord Acaelus
    Timelord Acaelus 19 hours ago

    "Dragons are awesome because dragons have always been awesome."
    Best answer to any argument.

  • MonkeyJedi99
    MonkeyJedi99 20 hours ago

    Thanks, the last few seconds before the sponsor now have me imagining scaly, winged, flying, fire and poison breathing, web spinning, eight-legged terrors sitting on piles of treasure. My D&D group will know (after the fact) whence this horror arose!

  • MonkeyJedi99
    MonkeyJedi99 20 hours ago

    So, 'dragon' as a word is about as specific as the word 'house'. Or perhaps better, the word 'home'

  • Julianna Freiheit
    Julianna Freiheit 21 hour ago

    For an interesting subversion of this trope I recommend the tween book "The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland in a Ship of Her Own Making" One of the main characters is a wyvern who is strong and powerful but also knowledgeable, somehow a library, and cute.

  • Anna Porch
    Anna Porch Day ago

    I’d love it if you guys could do a trope talks on wizards in literature

  • M lucas
    M lucas Day ago

    And now I want to go reread the 'Dealing With Dragons' books by Patricia C. Wrede.

  • pokemon 123
    pokemon 123 Day ago

    Imagine. Dragons

  • Liam Brandley
    Liam Brandley Day ago

    The only time when a large reptilian monster isn't a dragon is when it is a dinosaur.

  • masterofmythology

    Eastern Dragons vs. Western Dragons is one of my favorite mythological debates on differences in cultures.

  • Jakub Inglot
    Jakub Inglot Day ago

    Can you please tell me what are the clips from 9:03-9:11 that you used? I know one of them is from final fantasy but what about the others? HELP

  • ItsWhimsy
    ItsWhimsy Day ago +1

    Dragon is a catch-all term in place of behemoth and is more of a classification of varied creatures like beast or humanoid than a specifically defined one like hydra or wyvern. All wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyverns in the same since of rectangles and squares.

  • O
    O Day ago

    Hell yeah I’ve been waiting for ages for you guys to do a trope talk on this

  • Tumoltous Wind
    Tumoltous Wind Day ago

    I don't know why but I haven't seen one of these for a year

  • Luke Commins
    Luke Commins Day ago

    Would you be able to explore Jung's archetypes and whether they still are applicable in a multicultural society with the internet and shared tropes and influences?

  • Just Ice
    Just Ice 2 days ago +1

    The Dragon Fyrian from “the girl who drank the moon” is tiny until the last minute. We know he’s supposed to be huge, Fyrian himself thinks he’s huge. He can’t become a large until he leaves the mountain his mother died. He shrinks when he comes close to the volcano. He shrinks before his grief, I think. Anyways, read the book, it’s awesome.

  • Seetiyan
    Seetiyan 2 days ago

    :19 Well the Greek etymology of the word doesn't matter and doesn't imply localization to me, cause not all words for dragon are derived from Greek. in the first place.
    5:03 All these watery serpents - You see, people? Gyarados really IS a dragon, I've been saying this for years.
    9:09 "The girl is dating the dragon
    ." Hmm, source? It's for, uh . . . research. Yeah.

  • Sinead Thomas
    Sinead Thomas 2 days ago

    Okay, so the dragon from Aurora, which I won’t name for plot is:
    Apocalyptically enormous, Divine-ish, And Cursed. With a bit of shapeshifting thrown in for good measure

  • Tori .H
    Tori .H 2 days ago

    I love dragon riders of pern. I love the bonds the riders create with their dragons. The fact that they can communicate through a mind link is so interesting to me too

  • B. Davis
    B. Davis 2 days ago

    Great, now I'm thinking of spider dragons.

  • Lonewolf 101
    Lonewolf 101 2 days ago

    HEY RED! I KNOW U PROBABLY WONT SEE THIS BUT NETFLIX HAS A SHOW CALLED THE NEW LEGENDS OF MONKEY! ITS BASED ON JOURNEY TO THE WEST!!!!! U SHOULD WATCH IT!!! IM A HALF WAY INTO SEASON ONE AND ITS PRETTY GOOD!!!!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

  • VikingFyre
    VikingFyre 2 days ago

    “Riding a Dragon because fuck yeah!” Yep, that’s why I love the lesser known Drakan games. Because you can fly around on a Fuck You Dragon lol

  • Cynthia MI
    Cynthia MI 2 days ago +1

    I know this might not be seen, but here it goes. Thank you for including
    Armenian mythology! Usually my culture's history does go unnoticed in the international stage, so coming across such well researched videos and seeing my culture represented is amazing! Thank you again, you have gained a new subscriber. I can't wait to check out your other videos. 😊

  • The Nature Soldier
    The Nature Soldier 3 days ago

    What about dragons? Dragons have feelings too people, we can’t forget the dragons!

  • dirty pure
    dirty pure 3 days ago +1

    Symbols of an Alien Sky... documentary... details the real source of world mythologies. Nothing to do with aliens btw.
    I believe the reason we don't need a concrete definition of what a dragon "is" is because we have a collective traumatic memory of where the idea comes from (crazy stuff that happened in the sky thousands of years ago, perhaps at the end of the last ice age). Anyone interested in this should check out the documentary I referenced above. Peace.

  • Samantha Brown
    Samantha Brown 3 days ago

    The girl is dating the dragon 😂 shout out to you FFXIV

  • Naoto-Icarus The Antagonists

    Thank you kindly.

  • Caleb Martin
    Caleb Martin 3 days ago

    One idea I came up with for a novel was that, since dragons have an incubation period of many thousand years, they have very maleable biology so they can adapt to the world around them. So after hatching, a dragon might adapt to be more serpentine and feathery or more a four legged, flying, hyper-intelligent alpha predator

  • Joseph Buckley
    Joseph Buckley 3 days ago

    I wonder if the storm god vs dragon motif comes from the general connection between dragons(snakeish) and water and the storm gods and the sky

  • Lusintag Mayrapetyan

    Red mentions armenian deity
    Me in tears: thanks

  • Ameera Coe
    Ameera Coe 3 days ago

    when red got to the dragon hoards, my mind instantly went to my little pony, like that one episode where spike found a dragon cave and ate all the dragons gems, any other my little pony fans? no... just me....cool...

  • Justin Virola
    Justin Virola 3 days ago

    What manga is that

  • cat o
    cat o 3 days ago +1

    “dragons aren’t localized to one region or mythos” yeah because they were REAL. they’re extinct now but they definitely existed /j

  • Rene Ochoa
    Rene Ochoa 3 days ago +1

    I'd absolutely love a Troupe Talk on Creation Myths both on irl beliefs and the various ones in books/novels, ... just an idea 🤷‍♂️

  • TYellowFinch
    TYellowFinch 3 days ago +1

    Literally I started this thinking “she’s not gonna mention the Armenian dragon slayer”. I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for including us even if it was just briefly.

  • Hovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHK

    Everyone read the library dragon

  • Jelsa Fan
    Jelsa Fan 3 days ago

    Can we please get a Trope Talk about Foreshadowing or The Heart :)

  • David Holloway
    David Holloway 4 days ago +1

    Ancalagon is actually mentioned as an example! FINALLY! I swear, does NOBODY read the Silmarillion?

  • Max Schreck
    Max Schreck 4 days ago

    Darth Vader is a dragon!

  • Emily van der Hidde
    Emily van der Hidde 4 days ago

    dragons are the dogs of fantasy creatures

  • Lisa Tapp
    Lisa Tapp 4 days ago +1

    Dragon: exists
    Storm God: Wait no

    • kunik61
      kunik61 3 days ago

      Again dragonslaying jokes!?

  • Sept77
    Sept77 4 days ago

    My first thought for "named after a dragon" was Kazuma Kiryu, the Dragon of Dojima, protagonist of the Yakuza series of games. He lives in a setting where dragons aren't even real, and he still kicks almost as much ass as the DoomSlayer.

  • EJL YT
    EJL YT 4 days ago

    Youve heard of all these, but have you heard of neko dragons?
    yeah on a diffent account the main character is a dragon in a werewold mefwa neko way.... Dont ask. I did it because its a symbol of the invisible sexualities. r/invisiforce! :)