Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published on Oct 8, 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
    #Joker #JokerMovie #ToddPhillips
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  • Looper
    Looper  11 days ago +1320

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover Day ago

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace 2 days ago

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am 2 days ago

      It's multiple choice .

    • Dean W. Thomas
      Dean W. Thomas 2 days ago

      I don’t believe any of it happened except for the final scene.

    • Kenneth Lam
      Kenneth Lam 2 days ago

      @Jeff A. except for this exact movie, because its exactly what the main character would do and has historically done

  • Kyle Man
    Kyle Man 7 hours ago

    Of course Arthur can't be the real Joker that Batman fights. He'd be too old by the time Bruce becomes Batman!

  • shreyas shelar
    shreyas shelar 8 hours ago

    I heard someone saying that ...the man trying to catch Arthur in the last scene is the actual JOKER. What abt this theory?

  • Shendue
    Shendue 12 hours ago

    The movie goal is to put us into Joker's perspective. The movie itself is multiple choice.

  • Freshminster
    Freshminster 13 hours ago

    I think everything is real until he doesn't get medicated. The second half of the movie is him fantasicing , about killing and becoming a person someone would look up too. In a city where bankers are so arrogant and selfish , why would they ride a dirty train ? Why does he fire 7 shots with a gun that only can hold 6 bullets ? Where is the lady who went away ?

  • Henry Ayers
    Henry Ayers 13 hours ago

    My brain just assumed most of it was real and at the end he escapes from Arkham before turning into heath ledger and fighting Batman in the dark knight!

  • DadGeek UK
    DadGeek UK 13 hours ago

    Think about it though. If Arthur is the actual Joker, he's a 40+ year old man when Bruce Wayne is a child. That means that by the time Bruce is old enough to be the Batman, Joker is going to be 70+. It's much more likely that events/stories of Arthur's 'Joker' are an inspiration to the child who will eventually become the real Joker.

  • maraontheblock
    maraontheblock 14 hours ago

    The point of the movie is that you HAVE to be uncertain about what really happened and what not. It's not important to understand. That's the joke. That's why the movie is so beautiful.

  • Rank You
    Rank You 14 hours ago +1

    Anyone else think he was a sexy clown?😉😆🤣 like cmonn guys! That hair slicked back, the way he smokes and flicks it off and them cool azz moves down those stairs with so much swaaaggg😩🙌uhhh😁😩🤯🙌❤️😂😂😂

  • carina
    carina 14 hours ago

    i wish it was real joker plzzz

  • Brian Rosin
    Brian Rosin 17 hours ago

    So the guy who suffers from the pseudobulbar effect, and is mentally ill, isnt the joker?

  • only a comentary nothing special

    This whole "he isn't really the Joker thing" really starts to piss me off

  • wildfire 456
    wildfire 456 20 hours ago

    I personally think the "joke" was indeed the story of the Joker as many suggest. But I have another thing to add. The entire story is not a joke. Only the parts where he gets recognized e.g where he's with his supposed girlfriend, where Murray acknowledges him and even where he's surrounded by his followers. Perhaps the joke is that he never really got any sort of attention. And ofcourse, it was too complex to explain it to the psychiatrist at the spot. Hence "you wouldn't get it". This is just my take on the movie.

  • Woke Cat
    Woke Cat 21 hour ago

    Holyshit now after hearing it’s meaning it hits hard after hitting this

  • Zuloten
    Zuloten 22 hours ago

    I would love to see a death in the family with phoenix

  • elle_aye
    elle_aye 23 hours ago

    "It was all a dream"... meh

  • Msc Solar
    Msc Solar 23 hours ago

    I just watched it

  • Joshua Wrathall
    Joshua Wrathall 23 hours ago

    Two little tidbits...I might be talking crazy here but I think a Batman and Joker movie would be ok...without Batman...if that makes sense. I think it would be cool to have Joker fully embrace his chaotic Joker. Have Arthur actually he Joker. And throughout the whole movie it’s kind of building on Bats becoming Batman but always trying to find a different way to fight things until finally he fees the only way to win is to fight fire with fire in a sense...and that’s how we can lead into the newer Batman generation. Only problem is that would have to mean Robat (Pattinson’s Batman) will have to come out after. It’s make sense cause Pattinson is still pretty young so the age difference wouldn’t be too crazy.
    Something along those lines at least.
    My second point...I honestly think they made a point to specifically show that Sophie wasn’t his girlfriend after all and that He wasn’t actually on the Murray Show at the beginning part. Just think it would be weird to specifically only make those parts obvious and not the rest...🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

  • Sky Barry
    Sky Barry Day ago

    Tbh I love villain movies. I love learning about the past of them

  • James Henchy
    James Henchy Day ago

    No definitely not....epic and happy to hear the sequel will stay it’s own

  • Kori Hayes
    Kori Hayes Day ago

    If you want to see what The media has to say about it head over to my Channel 🥴 why so serious media

  • victor evans
    victor evans Day ago

    This is the reason why DC movies never reach its target audience... cos they(DC production) are the only people who thinks their films are interesting... do it right... be straight to the point... we all just wanna be entertained...

  • ☢ ƬƝƬƁOƳ-Ɗα-Ɓαωz ☢

    I love this movie

  • Miss Raline
    Miss Raline Day ago

    Just watched this movie for the second time and i think all of it is real except the part that shown in movie it's not..
    At the very beginning scene Arthur was talking to the social activist that he feel better locked up in Arkham asylum , and there's a glimpse of Arkham white room which he's banging his head. I thought that scene shows Arthur is in mental illness condition and tried to hurt himself so they locked him up..
    Remember when he get to Arkham Hospital again to look up his mother ( Penny Fleck) documents? In that scene he's asking the clerk how to get in here, while the clerk answers people who get in here is hurting other people or hurting themselves.. In my opinion Arthur done every bad thing to get in there..
    At the very last, he locked up for killing 5 people, and he thought of joke. That joke might be his life nothing but comedy..
    Who's with me?

  • Roo Seph
    Roo Seph Day ago

    This is all BS to drum up hype and mystery for the movie/character and it's all cop out answer for the director.

  • Madison K
    Madison K Day ago

    You didn't explain the ending at all

  • Lucas Arnquist
    Lucas Arnquist Day ago

    This is stupid just let us enjoy the movie


    I really hate the "it was all a dream" cliche.
    It totally ruins the impact of the movie when you want to rewatch it, because hey, why should I care about anything that happens when it's all a feverdream?
    Its interesting to think some things were just Arthur's imagination but the whole thing? That would kill the love I have for the film entirely.

  • Callie Pait
    Callie Pait Day ago

    It’s pretty obvious that Arthur Fleck had realized, by the end of the movie, that he was just a character. He starts to sing the song that is then presented as the ending scene song so he is just coming to terms with the fact that his life is a tragic comedy written for an audience. Arthur Fleck is the joker. The joker knows he’s a character. He is breaking the fourth wall and the entire movie was just working up to that fact.

  • Dakota Stepe
    Dakota Stepe Day ago

    I think the whole clown riot thing was real and the end is after he has been captured by Batman and figured that he Cause Bruce Wayne’s parents to get killed

  • Jeremy Menning
    Jeremy Menning Day ago

    Cesar Romero.
    Jack Nicholson.
    Mark Hamill.
    Cameron Monaghan.
    Zack Galifinakis.
    Jared Leto.
    Heath Ledger.
    Joaquin Phoenix.
    They were all The Joker.
    And none of them were The Joker.

  • Thomas DL
    Thomas DL Day ago

    I want him to be the joker!

  • giada
    giada Day ago

    The director seems to openly approve the theory "The movie was just Arthur's immagination. Arthur is not the real joker". Too easy! This means, to me, that the theory will soon prove to be wrong XD
    I have experience with series's writers who approve fans's theories and then write different stories XD
    I think Todd and Joaquin are really considering a "Joker" sequel, and maybe when/if they'll confirm the sequel they'll tell us the truth abous the last scene.

  • Ileamar Ferrer
    Ileamar Ferrer Day ago

    Joaquin Phoenix is the Joker! No one else!

  • Hugo Brömme
    Hugo Brömme Day ago

    "Perhaps he told the story to a fellow Arkham State Hospital inmate who then became the real Joker who fights Batman"
    Not only does that sound like stupid overanalyzing bullshit but also unsatisfying as fuck if it's actually true. It would ruin the movie for me completely.

  • DonutWarLord
    DonutWarLord Day ago

    All of it happened except the part with his girlfriend.
    The end scene was in the future where he more than likely got locked up and he was thinking of batman.

  • Muath Nasser
    Muath Nasser Day ago

    He is the Joker's father. (Although I don't like this scenario)
    In the movie you can notice how he draws a smile in Bruce's face, and how he do the same action many times throughout the movie. Maybe that is what the original Joker meant when he tell the story of his scars "why so serious son"

  • david ortega
    david ortega Day ago

    The movie is actually pretty simple. He is the real Joker. It's just that at the very end scene, he's giving another Bull crap story that he made up to yet, another Doctor trying to understand what made the Joker INTO the Joker. Think of it as the abusive father story that he fed to Harley Quinn in Batman: The Animated series. It's all Bull shit.

  • Sebastian B
    Sebastian B Day ago

    The one thing that makes me wonder is that Arthur is one generation ahead of Bruce. He would have to be over 60 when meeting Batman.

  • Ryan King
    Ryan King Day ago

    So what, he explained it by saying its a mystery?... right...

  • yee yee
    yee yee Day ago

    i’m gonna have to watch this movie like 10 times to completely understand what and who arthur fleck truly is. i’ve already seen it twice and after watching this video, it’s making me ponder if arthur is the real joker??? then why the hell would the whole movie be titled joker, or him being brought up and introduced as that. saying he’s “not the real joker” is a lame ass way to describe this cinematic fucking masterpiece.

  • JiNzX115
    JiNzX115 Day ago

    When asked about the potential of merging two worlds together, Joker and Batman, Todd immediately says NOPE, NEVER. I mean like....Nolan boss has set the bar so high up, Todd clearly doesn't wanna end up like Suicide Squad lmao.....You can see his face, he's scared shitless and runs off.

  • JiNzX115
    JiNzX115 Day ago

    At the end, he's really laughing at the irony of his whole life being a joke. No origin, no identity, bullied on the street, subway, no relationship, has a laughing condition, tried to work his way up as a comedian only to find himself ridiculed by a person he idolized as a father figure. How can you not see that? It was so obvious.

  • Jacob Martinez
    Jacob Martinez Day ago

    Well this was a waste time

  • Jay Smith
    Jay Smith Day ago

    Nice to see that Looper finally found a movie to make videos about other than Avengers Endgame.

  • Dave Deacon
    Dave Deacon 2 days ago

    I actually just commented to my son that I believe the entire story was in his head. That he may not even be The Joker as even the title is vague "Joker". I think this movie is about mental illness and how we (society) needs to try and make some sense of it where none can be made. We need to put him in some sort of category. Notice how everyone tries to make this movie fit what they want to see and quickly criticize anyone who disagrees. I actually hope the director never explains it as like great art, it is in the eye of the beholder.

  • turbo shaft
    turbo shaft 2 days ago

    We don't actually see the joker get captured after the Murray Franklin show so I can only presume that it's the same after he stands on the car so I believe the whole arthur turns into the joker thing is real and he gets captured shortly after he stands on the car but also you cant compare ledger and Phoenix because ledger plays the enemy of batman and Phoenix takes on a different role

  • JRayC2002
    JRayC2002 2 days ago

    Knowing the whole film never happened and that he may not be the real joker ruined the entire film for me, this would of been the best film of the year but the whole dream thing is terrible writing.

  • rah
    rah 2 days ago

    Okay so he just randomly makes up how jokers life is, this a joke.

  • Stephen Sharma
    Stephen Sharma 2 days ago

    Whose the narrator of this video is she as hot as she sounds?

  • Connor McAnerney
    Connor McAnerney 2 days ago

    I read a theory that I personally believe is what the ending means

    The final scene in Arkham is set in the future, after Bruce became the Batman and captured Joker, that's why he doesn't have his dyed hair anymore. He was thinking back on the night of the riot when the Waynes were killed and puts two and two together that Bruce became the Batman. Thats why the psychiatrist wouldn't get what he's laughing at. He just got the ultimate punchline: he was the one to create the Batman.

  • kristin
    kristin 2 days ago +1

    this isn’t a movie about the comic book characters at all. This is a commentary on our social system and our treatment of mentally ill and low income people. It’s genius to use the joker theme as a format to bring these messages to the forefront to be discussed. That is what we are meant to discuss, not if Batman is coming or if his experiences were real or imagined.

  • Essmat Arafa
    Essmat Arafa 2 days ago

    Sure Nolan is better than you !

  • savin padencherry
    savin padencherry 2 days ago

    If this isn't the real joker then I'm pretty sure a lot of viewers would as disappointed in the movie as they were impressed by it.. I hope it doesn't turn out that way... Then the movie would turn out to have a lot of plotholes

    • ja bo
      ja bo Day ago

      He's "a Joker" just not the one Batman faces in this timeline. Which sorta makes sense because after all Joker is a master schemer and renowned gangster dangerous enough to rival Batman.

  • Mosta Ali
    Mosta Ali 2 days ago

    no idea why is it necessary to link to a "Joker character" its all fiction anyway, but I don't like the idea that a story is only imagination in someone head we already know a movie story is mind born why make it double fake

  • Wulfarath
    Wulfarath 2 days ago

    I wouldn't take that as a certainty. Directors have always lied about what their next film would hold. So people wouldn't have certain expectations. It may be wishful thinking in the end. But that's the story I'm sticking with.

  • big sarge
    big sarge 2 days ago

    So basically this video didn’t explain shit. Thanks

  • gangrail
    gangrail 2 days ago

    Him saying no batman might be a mis direction, i would love the next film for batman to face hin and they present the trailer as a joker movie and not show batman in it

  • PMC05
    PMC05 2 days ago +1

    3 words: Bales American Psycho

  • Ge In
    Ge In 2 days ago

    Uh, it's fiction. Tommorow he can be written as a turnip who loves hello kitty parades. You're all morons.

  • Elias Ortiz
    Elias Ortiz 2 days ago +1

    Nope, made to much money. They made it ambiguous at the end for story telling first off, and safe keeping just in case it made more money than they thought since it's R Rated .so sequel is most likely inevitable. Plus it's a fucking amazing movie I've seen in years no joke. WB can't turn down all this $$ lol they are doubling that budget next movie😂

  • Elias Ortiz
    Elias Ortiz 2 days ago

    After he killed murrAy! was a genuine laugh I thought

  • DH_Artist
    DH_Artist 2 days ago

    what I found funny, this may be just my sick mind, is that before walking in the hallway, he starts singing some of the lyrics to “That’s Life”, particularly “some people get their kicks, stomping on a dream” and we see his bloody footprints. So clearly he was stomping on her, probably stomping her brains out. Kinda a play on it, but again that’s probably just my twisted mind. I’d just like to think maybe that’s what the joke he was thinking about was. I sure as hell found it funny after watching it the second time 😂

  • Amazing Facts Kannada

    I like phoenix laughing

  • jonathan lopez
    jonathan lopez 2 days ago +1

    Arthur fletcher is joker but not the joker that villan is the one that kills tomas wane and drops in a quimical bath after ala nicolson leto but not ledger.

  • Public Safety.
    Public Safety. 2 days ago

    The joker was in handcuffs during the last scene? If it was just all his imagination why was he in cuffs? He have had to have done something bad in order to be cuffed up like that right?

  • Gaunter O' Dimm
    Gaunter O' Dimm 2 days ago

    I'm not a big fan of Arthur not being the actual Joker, it kind of takes away from the movie.

  • Ryan Petersen
    Ryan Petersen 2 days ago

    Before seeing the movie:
    "The Joker's not supposed to have a backstory"
    After seeing the movie:
    "What the fuck so was that his backstory or not? What a ripoff copout ending!"

  • Melissa Magan
    Melissa Magan 2 days ago

    But i wanna know NOW LOL

  • Dustin Fox
    Dustin Fox 3 days ago

    Pennys Bf created the most iconic villain in comic book history

  • Mostafa Abdelmawla
    Mostafa Abdelmawla 3 days ago +1

    The clocks are always 11:11 everywhere in the movie, except on the show with Murry it's 10:37, I'm not sure what that means!

  • aUstin
    aUstin 3 days ago +3

    He should of said “it’s just a prank bro” at the end of the talk show scene

  • L
    L 3 days ago

    I think if this was all imaginary then it would ruin the story because. I loved the movie because you can truly see and understand and feel for Arthur and why he became the Joker. If he Arthur isn't really the joker or this story is fake then the audience has just lost that relatability to the Joker

  • Martin Macdonald
    Martin Macdonald 3 days ago

    Joker would have been better if that last scene was cut. The ending should have been Joker dancing on the hood of the police car. That hospital scene detracted from the film.

  • Martin Macdonald
    Martin Macdonald 3 days ago

    Whatever. I hope we don't get a slew of 'director's cuts' and 'my interpretation' from various contributors to this masterpiece. Many people create a film. Sometimes many cooks do make a good broth.

  • J2x
    J2x 3 days ago

    So we would be getting another actor playing joker? When this man did an awesome job! Smh. That’ll be a L

  • C
    C 3 days ago

    I’ve got a theory that the Joker is actually Bruce Wayne’s heart / soul. Everything that the Joker does is actually an expression of Bruce Wayne’s changing feelings towards his Father. Bruce’s desire to bring joy and laughter to his Father (his whole world at that point/as a kid). When Joker came to visit his home. That was Bruce’s attempt to bring joy and laughter into the family home. But his Father didn’t allow joy and laughter or joking in his home. A child is meant to bring their parents joy. Joke around with them together. But when joker (Bruce’s Heart) confronts Thomas in the bathroom, Thomas rejects ‘Bruce’s (up until then) hidden desire to connect with him on that level permanently. From that point on, Bruce became his Fathers enemy in his heart (‘you don’t want to Joke with me? I’ll make you joke with me!?!’) .. and he believed in his heart he wanted to kill his Father / parents. Tear down everything his father valued above himself.
    But that last scene was where Joker (taking the viewpoint that he is Bruce’s heart) has a sense of relief that the people who prevented him from laughing / joking were no longer able to do so.. dead. but he would never be able to joke freely again. As he is trapped in shame (the asylum)
    This is why Batman is ‘so serious’.
    He once wanted to bring joy and laughter to the world (his fathers world), but now that childhood dream is gone. An impossibility.
    The ironic laugh in the end in the white room was that he realized that he didn’t truly want to kill his father but kill himself. And failed to accomplish this. He instead only managed to kill his own innocent + pure dream of making his Father laugh. Connect with him on a deeper emotional / personal level. Not just be a symbol of his social status / an appendage.
    So the battle between Batman and Joker from here on in in the story universe is that Joker is Batman’s suicidal ideation. His desire to kill himself. End his own life that he must battle with daily.

  • Thomas Pålsson
    Thomas Pålsson 3 days ago

    A story that's essantially entirely open for interpretation is not a story at all. It's just verbal fragments bereft of any real value.
    Hack writing.

  • Calvin Tai
    Calvin Tai 3 days ago +4

    When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

  • Mr.VelociDeltaDerp
    Mr.VelociDeltaDerp 3 days ago +2

    Damn, I really want this movie's Joker to be the actual Joker that faces off with Batman! I don't care how, I just wanna! This Joker has so much potential, from what I'm getting from the movie, so if he doesn't live up to it at the end, if the Joker that faces off with Batman is just some 'fanboy' of this Joker, then I'm done, man!

  • Cata Tonic
    Cata Tonic 3 days ago +4

    This movie is defined by one simple point - Psychopathy is no joke.

    Art? Depth? Layers?... nah!
    Garbage?... yes!

  • Cata Tonic
    Cata Tonic 3 days ago

    So basically this wasnt a story, it was art. Lmao i'd hang myself if i couldnt tell a decent story while having a college education. Its like having an art degree and making stick figure murals.

  • nycmanowar
    nycmanowar 3 days ago

    If they did want to do it older Joker and younger Batman could Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Instead of, No Luke..I am your could be, Brucie, I'm your brother. (He may or may not's a good plot twist). Could be a reason why Joker doesn't really want to kill Batman..but then, Joker would have to know Batman is Bruce Wayne at some point

  • Darren Frey
    Darren Frey 3 days ago

    Has anyone ever seen the fan film called Joker Rising that came out about 5 or 6 years ago? Being a fan film, obviously it isn't over the top on a budget or actors or anything like that, but for what it is, I loved it and while there is a glimpse of Batman, the story is entirely about how the Joker becomes the Joker. I love that they are focusing on him considering he is just as popular as Batman is.

  • Preston  Sturgis
    Preston Sturgis 3 days ago

    Only Dceu would be stupid enough to not build off of they're only critical and box office success since the Dark Knight rises. Yeah Wonder woman was good but I think it's worth it to kill it off if it means we can get a new batman

  • DVD Video
    DVD Video 3 days ago

    In my opinion joker is good and the world is evil

  • H.A.K
    H.A.K 3 days ago

    The psychiatrist looked awfully calm when talking to Arthur. It must be all in his head. xD

    • Let's put a smile on that face
      Let's put a smile on that face 13 hours ago

      Psychiatrists have heard it all. Remaining calm and keeping a straight face is how they get other comfortable with them. They don't want their patients to seem like they are judging them or uncomfortable with them. I think when being a psychiatrist you have to an excellent poker face. You cant show any emotion of discomfort or fear.

  • Cesare
    Cesare 3 days ago

    The truth is: we dont really care, we dont want to hear that it was just in his head or that it was real, the most important thing is the message " we are all clowns". Ahahahahahahahaha

  • M3nta
    M3nta 3 days ago +1

    i want Joaquin to be the joker.
    omfg if it will be someone else im gonna crack.
    please oh please he was so good dont ruin it for me.

  • Phantom1999
    Phantom1999 3 days ago

    I want this joker to uo against batman.. this is the most fucked up down to earth joker ever.. love Phoenix

  • John Platte
    John Platte 3 days ago

    ...Why so serious?

  • Milan
    Milan 3 days ago

    I think it was real because Wayne is murdered here and that thing happened in lets say all Batman movies. I'v just cant accept that its not real because a lot of things happened.

  • RXI 6375
    RXI 6375 3 days ago

    Most of DC comic villains are more human. Marvels is just bullshit aliens from nowhere.

  • Duende Official
    Duende Official 3 days ago

    If they make a sequel they should add Batman but in a similar way the played with Joker. Maybe he would be a figment of Joker's imagination, or another personality of the Joker or something like that. I really liked the psychological way they depicted Joker and not just a villain in a comic book. This is much deeper, more exciting and interesting because you feel it might just be real.

  • Gypsy Queen
    Gypsy Queen 3 days ago

    Joker is real to me.....that's the beauty of the movie you see whats in your head

  • Anastasia styles
    Anastasia styles 3 days ago

    I really dont wanna believe that he imagined everything...Its even more sad

  • Terror Of Death
    Terror Of Death 3 days ago

    I think he died in the fridge.

  • alzauri fatahillah
    alzauri fatahillah 3 days ago +1

    The theory that "Joachin" Joker is only an inspiration for the real Joker kinda makes sense. He has ignited the clowns (criminal community) in which from the group then aroused the real Joker. Arthur Fleck interacted with Bruce Wayne when Bruce Wayne still a kid. If This Joker is real Joker, in the future he must be addressing Batman some clue about their interaction in the past. Because there's also a theory that Joker actually knows who Batman is but he prefers not to care.
    In this Movie, Wayne maybe at his 10, while Joker is 40. when Batman became Batman (in his 30), Joker must be 60 (if we assume that this Joker is The Joker). I think it will be more reasonable if Batman 30, then Joker was 40.
    For me, it is true that this Joker is actually an inspiration for the real Joker.

    • JiNzX115
      JiNzX115 Day ago

      It was never made clear about Joker's true age in any form of media or source materials we've ever seen, that shouldn't be considered a plausible argument for him not being the real Joker. You may speculate their age difference but it's unreliable. Addressing some clue about any interaction in the past makes sense at least, but there could be multiple reasons Joker never addresses any of it, like he chooses to forget that happened, or it didn't even happen.

  • Benjámin Kurilla
    Benjámin Kurilla 3 days ago

    But there is a reason why Arthur was institutionalised. Also he just might think her psychiatrist wouldn't understand, because she never did in the first place.

    HI EVERYONE 3 days ago

    Heath Ledger played a great role before his passing, but this film and actor will surpass that other version. My favorite is still 89's Batman w Nicholson and Keaton.