Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published on Oct 8, 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
    #Joker #JokerMovie #ToddPhillips
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Comments • 100

  • Looper
    Looper  8 months ago +1945

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • George Tompras
      George Tompras Day ago

      Can we answer this this question in this specific moment?

    • Drusilla
      Drusilla 5 days ago

      I was suspicious that the title is just "Joker" ... and not "The" Joker.
      And at the end it makes it pretty clear that he has inspired an army of Jokers who are even more motivated to wreak havoc on the world.

    • Tamia Marie
      Tamia Marie 13 days ago

      All the time he spent with that girl from his apt building never happened because she asks if his name was Arthur later in the movie after he killed his mother as if they never even met.

    • aj 007
      aj 007 28 days ago

      I think the joke is that the Joker created the Batman.He set Gotham in chaos by which Bruce lost his parents.Joker was the creator and motivation for Batman to fight against the dark side of Gotham.And that was the joke he couldnt stop laughing.

    • Dantes230
      Dantes230 3 months ago

      Joseph Bernard nope. Overanalysis paralysis. Wrong. He read batman and thinks he is the joker, but kills the psych, and dances like in his 'delusion' . Riiight

  • Thomas Saldivar
    Thomas Saldivar Day ago

    The joke is Joaquin Phoenix is actually the real Joker and this was just a documentary 🤷🏽‍♂️😳😂😂

  • Aikano9
    Aikano9 4 days ago

    I mean in the dark knight, the joker isn’t that much older than Batman, but he is here, so it was kinda obvious, no? Or are there different universes here?

  • Drusilla
    Drusilla 5 days ago

    I was suspicious that the title is just "Joker" ... and not "The" Joker.
    And at the end it makes it pretty clear that he has inspired an army of Jokers who are even more motivated to wreak havoc on the world.

  • Terry_p Powers
    Terry_p Powers 7 days ago

    This director is really the one wanting u to be confused. Explain the footprints of blood if Arthur was js telling a story then...

  • Titvn Gaming
    Titvn Gaming 8 days ago

    I think what he was laughing at in the end is, knowing Bruce Wayne is now an orphan just like he was. And cus he’s twisted that makes him happy.

  • Ryan Zaragoza
    Ryan Zaragoza 9 days ago

    so convinced that I'm a figment of the jokers imagination

  • We Do Not Consent
    We Do Not Consent 9 days ago

    Thomas Wayne and Arthur do look very similar. Now why would they cast that particular actor to play TW? Here's my take:
    Ever see the film Gosford Park? It's about a rich guy who makes a habit out of knocking up the help and putting his bastards up for adoption. Given that mental illness can show up genetically, this is probably what really happened. Maybe his mother was driven to madness, maybe she fell in love with Thomas Wayne and couldn't deal with the rejection then took her anger at him out on his son.
    So this kid has the genes of "nobility" (Arthur aka King Arthur) and Fleck (aka "fleck of dust", rejected mother driven to madness), these two forces battling within him. Ultimately, the feeling of the injustice of life overrides and drives him but the callous psychopathy, often accredited to the very wealthy, many of whom are willing to do anything for money and power, enables Arthur to act upon his murderous thoughts.
    I'm glad that Joaquin won the Oscar for this role over Johnny Cash, because of THAT SPEECH. Had he won for Cash, it wouldn't have warranted the eloquence and substance he delivered, which is HIS true essence.
    All of the documentaries he has narrated about animal cruelty, unity, reveals how deeply he cares about the human condition and planet. They say artists are here to beautify the world, and he is.

  • Shawn Smith
    Shawn Smith 10 days ago

    This pretentious film maker takes himself too seriously. Just end the movie and stop trying to be a mysterious artist. Ffs 🙄

  • AShrimpyCuphead 12
    AShrimpyCuphead 12 21 day ago

    Maybe it all started with Arthur, he became the Joker, then he told the story to someone else. Who then became the 2nd Joker. And it goes on and on. Because we know that there were many other clown followers. That could explain why the Joker has lived for so many years. And why he isn't actually dead in some versions. Maybe yeah the Joker did die, and then came back but wasn't the same one. It could be the same with other villains or Batman. See?

  • Sudhir Raghu
    Sudhir Raghu 25 days ago

    So, joker is not the joker or one of many possible jokers in the real jokers' mind? Great.

  • Karakta
    Karakta 29 days ago

    If Arthur Fleck isn't the Joker but the man who inspired him, it makes him even more badass !

  • Arnold Stollar
    Arnold Stollar Month ago


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    Arnold Stollar Month ago


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    I need a hug plz Month ago


  • Aadinarayan R
    Aadinarayan R Month ago

    Besides if everything was a delusuion then how would Arthur imagine his relationship with Sophie. That would mean he was seeing a delusion in a delusion which is not possible.

  • Aadinarayan R
    Aadinarayan R Month ago

    I would like to think that he just was taken to the asylum were he was being interrogated and the he escaped and continues as the joker

  • Marianna
    Marianna Month ago +3

    OK: so it seems no one noticed: after Arthur was cut off on the video, we see a clip of all the news reporters and videos, and in the corner, we see Arthurs full video of where he says something and gets taken down by the cops. Now his voice was drowned out by the other televisions, but if you read his lips and but together what he says: He says "Gothom, we stand up, there will never be a hero stronger to take down----, if we are up" roughly a translation. So he is speaking about no hero could stand up. This later causes Bruce to become Batman, and he will stand up to Arthur as the Joker.

  • Milton77
    Milton77 Month ago

    Again, again and AGAIN (siiigh): this movie would have been better without the link to the whole Batman story. All ‘Wayne scenes’ are weak. The character at the end of the movie is most definitely NOT The Joker

  • conman20000
    conman20000 2 months ago

    So I'm guessing hes laughing at the end because he knows that bruce wayne is an orphan just like him now.

  • Johnny McLinden
    Johnny McLinden 2 months ago +1

    If you don't get this movie or it's ending you need to go to Film School. This plot was crisp and to the point. Clear & Concise.

  • Creativity06
    Creativity06 2 months ago

    I hear people saying that joker is better than ENDGAME.
    Well Endgame is the culmination of a saga, it's a visual feast, greater than cinema
    Joker is the best example of true cinema!!

  • Jay Brooks
    Jay Brooks 2 months ago

    It was obvious.. none of it happened. That was my exact thought when the movie ended. It was a movie about mental illness not about the joker at all.

  • Neutral Artist
    Neutral Artist 2 months ago

    I think he's just being pretentious...trying to present a deepness to a film that, while entertaining and thought provoking, is still based on a comic book character. It definitely exceeded my expectations, but hearing all the angsty millenial males worship Joker on the internet as if he really shot dinero in the 🤬 head on live tv (which by the way actually proves that there are a lot of psychopaths in this world) kind of turned me off to it.

  • Jorge G
    Jorge G 2 months ago

    It makes so much sense that he’s not the real joker. But inspired the one to become

  • Dennis the Menace
    Dennis the Menace 2 months ago

    the biggest joke is JOAQUIN PHOENIX acting career

  • Maxi Cool
    Maxi Cool 2 months ago

    Possible the joker actually killed the waynes

  • Maxi Cool
    Maxi Cool 2 months ago

    Exactly ...I knew is it possible the that joker goes to arkham assyulmn when he has a massive clown phonexis laughter at the end is different from the other laughter in his fantasy
    The true meaning is that life is a joke
    As in life nothing really matters

  • Mr. Divergent
    Mr. Divergent 2 months ago

    I’de like to believe that this all actually happened or it’s just the Joker laughing about another origin story he thought up of.

  • Bounty Hunter
    Bounty Hunter 2 months ago

    Every Villian is a Hero of his own story.

  • Awas
    Awas 3 months ago

    A "Happy" moment was when Arthur kisses Gary on his head . The only moment in the movie that made us glad and relieved at the same time , not having a clue that Gary existed only in Arthur's mind !
    The Killing J😨ke imo .

  • Trianglare
    Trianglare 3 months ago

    What if Arthur is Joker's father

  • Psych Slow
    Psych Slow 3 months ago

    If you've understood me. You have misunderstood me.

  • funktastic- trials fusion

    The entire film happened as it was portrayed. The final scene simply showed him after he was caught. The 3rd laugh, the real and last one signified his final exceptence of madness and the joke being on humanity in what it had created. All the other ideas and topics it could be is simply marketting in my opinion. The shrink at the end even resembles the shrink in the beginning to keep discussion flowing. I don't buy the theories that often follow these films which are planted to keep voices chattering. If it turns out that a quality film, with a quality story and quality acting is defined by an odd picular injected ending, it will destory the entire process of the film and will actually then become another comic. Just my opinion🙂 but the film explains it's reality in one simple scene and that's Bruce waynes dad and mum are killed in an ally. No other reason to show that other than to identify reality from fiction. Using the same names and city provides to certain well known plots. If the whole story was a madmans ramblings of a made up world, it wouldn't involve a real event we all are accustomed too. Not to mention the fact the imaginary girl was originally not imaginary😉 just my opinion though hahaha great film, i hope they dont mess about with the plot to stagger its appeal.

  • Mad9977 Productions
    Mad9977 Productions 3 months ago

    i think the good moments in the movie were his dreams and the harsh moments his reality

  • sour_crust -
    sour_crust - 3 months ago

    I see the “you wouldn’t get it” as Bruce was meant to be Arthur’s half brother and now Arthur orphaned him

  • Ruby Firefly
    Ruby Firefly 3 months ago

    That's one of the things I love most about this movie, and stories of this type - the uncertainty. It does make you a player in the game because you have to come to your own conclusions. It makes the story more immersive.

  • Bryce Tharp
    Bryce Tharp 3 months ago

    Here's my take. It did happen. All the killings happened, I should say. The mother, the 'neighbor girlfriend', Robert Deniro, whatshisname who gave him the gun, the therapist at the end. By the end of the movie, some time had passed since he obviously didn't have the green hair anymore. I can't understand why they would have this murderer go to the therapist without a thousand pounds of handcuffs and armed guards around him. Anyway, I think the reason he is laughing at the end isn't because the entire movie was just a vision Fleck was because he knew the Gotham clown revolution he inadvertently started caused not only the death of his nemesis Thomas Wayne (And his wife, of course)....but it had transformed his overprivileged son Bruce---Thomas's real son--into an orphan......turning him into exactly what Fleck was. Having the whole movie be a dream doesn't fit if he never met Bruce or never confronted Thomas in the men's room. The reason Fleck said, "You wouldn't get it." is because the therapist wouldn't understand the symbolism of transforming Bruce to himself when he was the same age.

  • S B
    S B 3 months ago +1

    " I would rather wonder than get all the answers.... " 😅😅😅

  • S B
    S B 3 months ago

    This movie is an Art, and real art takes time to be grasped by the viewers.

  • henry evans
    henry evans 3 months ago

    I still like to believe he won the love of the rioters. The way they all cheered for him tore me up lol

  • Lana Khader
    Lana Khader 3 months ago

    I think it’s dumb when their like well it might not even be real or he might not even be so and so like can we just have a movie where someone is actually who we think we are damn I’m to stupid for the other shit

  • Maitri
    Maitri 3 months ago

    The joke’s on him as I will never see another of his films.

  • James Jones
    James Jones 3 months ago

    Joker created batman so lets get to filming now we got a good batman story now

  • Airehcaz
    Airehcaz 3 months ago

    I really, really, really, really hope they don’t make that story a depiction of delusion or something just made up by Arthur.
    I hope even more, Arthur becomes the real Joker that antagonizes Batman. I’ll be quite disappointed if that’s not the case.

  • KhataarFelMataar
    KhataarFelMataar 3 months ago

    A bit late but, there is too much order in character development for this to be a mere lunatic's fantasy.

  • Name_
    Name_ 3 months ago

    I think he is The Joker. The scene at the end perhaps reveals that he has been telling this story to the psychiatrist- and it may or not be completely true - because that's what The Joker would do, as he prefers his past to be multiple choice. Plus, the character is better with some mystery.

  • Dantes230
    Dantes230 3 months ago

    He is the joker, they never said he is not. He kills the psych at the end ( bloody footprints ) .. same dance.. it's real. He is the joker.

  • Dantes230
    Dantes230 3 months ago

    He laughs because of the story, which is true, its conclusion, or the fact that he can and does escape at his whim killing the psychiatrist in the process

  • HemeraldZ
    HemeraldZ 3 months ago

    I love how DC went for a more non-action kind of movie unlike *cough* marvel *cough.
    Joker is definitely one of the best movies of 2019.

  • Grarder
    Grarder 3 months ago +1

    This is exactly why there should be no sequel! It let it up to the viewers interpretation and there's no right or wrong answer. What ever theory you want to believe is as possible as any other. I thought it was perfect just as is.

  • Excess Triangles
    Excess Triangles 3 months ago

    Maybe the joker will defeat Superman next time with the help of hobbits so then Star Wars wouldn’t start beating pikachu

  • Zach Dimick
    Zach Dimick 3 months ago

    He really had the last laugh

  • b
    b 3 months ago

    Is it wrong that I want to sleep with joker 🙄

  • donniecatalano
    donniecatalano 3 months ago +1

    I will never understand why these things need to be explained. Is the general public becoming dumber or what!?!

  • Da Main Mane
    Da Main Mane 3 months ago

    I'm so confused,besides this origin,the only origin we have on Joker is him falling into some goo-like unknown substance and he crawls out laughing...And Arthur influenced his style???A style that is potentially all in his head???Then there's an even more bizarre origin of the real "comic book"Joker who actually knows he's in a comic book and that becomes the reason he goes madly insane🤦🏿‍♂️idk...

  • Anon B
    Anon B 3 months ago

    The joke is that they smuggled in an arthouse film right under the noses of the franchise junkies.

  • Please Help
    Please Help 3 months ago

    “which is my favorite laugh” GIRL SAME- first time I heard that high pitched ring of a laugh I lost it

  • Clayton L
    Clayton L 3 months ago

    How could the joker be an adult when Bruce was a kid and not be old af by the time Bruce is Batman?

  • Jamie Early
    Jamie Early 3 months ago

    That character that followed the Waynes into the ally becomes the Joker. So Arthur created/inspired/motivated the Joker.

  • Andrew Tempalski
    Andrew Tempalski 4 months ago

    A dread pirate Roberts situation.

  • Domenic Torreto
    Domenic Torreto 4 months ago

    If they did all this, just to show some other person being influenced by JOKERS become the 'next' JOKER....I am out. That would be the best way for DC to lose their fan base and destroy this incredible foundation of a story they have started. Marvel; look out!

  • Kimchicracker
    Kimchicracker 4 months ago

    I think it could be that Arthur just wanted a father like Thomas Wayne, just like he fantasizes about Murray saying nice things about him in the beginning. But it is really open to interpretation. A true classic that leaves us all guessing. If Phoenix doesn’t win an Oscar it would be a travesty.

  • sksigil
    sksigil 4 months ago

    The first joke he told on murrays stage "knock, knock - its the police-" shows you how dark jokers sense of humour is. So why would he laugh at the end of the movie, and why would it cut to Thomas Waynes death?
    My theory is that Waynes death is funny to Joker. He hated Wayne for telling him he was adopted and that his mother was a liar and he probably wanted to kill him regardless of whether it was the truth or not. But he didn't, instead someone else who looked like him killed Wayne AND said the same line Joker said to Murray before he killed him on stage. So people were going to believe it WAS him who murdered Wayne. AND the real killer left his son, Bruce Wayne alive - Wayne said he would kill joker if he touched his son. And Bruce ends up an orphan, possibly even adopted just like the joker. It is all ironically dark and twisted. I think if he found out the way Wayne died, it would be hilarious to the joker. And no I don't think he is the real joker, but I do think he was a real character in Gotham and did really influence events. That's my 2 cents (LOL)

  • Brett Haynes
    Brett Haynes 4 months ago

    How does the age gap work If he’s the Joker who becomes Batman’s nemesis?

  • Chris Devlin
    Chris Devlin 4 months ago +2

    No shit...there's scene when he goes to the mental hospital and asks how someone ends up here...having already been one picked up on this ?

  • timothy fain
    timothy fain 4 months ago

    I really enjoyed this movie but anytime that there is a surreal moment or subtlety its undermined by treating the audience like they aren't getting the disingenuous nature of Arthur's psyche and the ending too felt like beating a dead horse and a cop out of making an actual ending in my opinion it would've been much more impactful to just end it with him dancing on the car.

    • timothy fain
      timothy fain 4 months ago

      Also if you didnt come to the conclusion that Arthur's an unreliable narrator and that he might not be the joker by yourself you are kind of a dum-dum

  • deadblood 4115
    deadblood 4115 4 months ago +1

    If this ain't the start of a new universe I'm gonna be really pissed off cause he's my favorite joker

  • NOT Omar
    NOT Omar 4 months ago

    The riots and him shooting Murray are real, when he laughs in the audience of the stand up show it was fantasy as no one called him out. When he was on live TV many people reacted negatively, when he was in the back of the cruiser the cops reacted negatively. Some parts are fantasy but the riots and him killing Murray were not.

  • Ramp Shark
    Ramp Shark 4 months ago

    Kill The Rich! Childhood is idealizing Batman, Adulthood is when you realize that the Joker makes more sense! Especially in this movie that shows how rich greedy capitalists are un compassionate assholes!

  • Sonically Sound
    Sonically Sound 4 months ago

    I think he's just hyping it up to make the movie more interesting.

  • Fousrin
    Fousrin 4 months ago

    A lot of people seem to be pissed off with the “it never happened” ending, but the point that Phillips has constantly reiterated is that this ending is up to interpretation. He never said “yeah, none of it happened,” he just said that he’s heard other people say that. So if you think that everything shown truly happened, then, for all intended purposes, it all happened.

  • Critical Sh!t Entertainment

    I think it's all real, except for the relationship with the girl. Also, I think the laugh at the end is genuine because he really does find what happened to him funny.
    + The thing about there not being a sequel where he fights Batman is probably because Bruce looks around 10 years old at most here, meaning atleast 10 years for Batman to even exist.

  • lastpme
    lastpme 4 months ago

    Great 👍🏿 movie.

  • Jeri Lyn
    Jeri Lyn 4 months ago

    just brilliant!!!!

  • Matt Albert
    Matt Albert 4 months ago

    For all the idiots saying this isn't a DC Films movie are morons. It was Produced by DC Films. Google it

  • Gary M
    Gary M 4 months ago

    I dont get why people have such a hard time understanding different interpretations. Why are folk so obsessed with "the real joker?" So obsessed with black and white, batman v joker blandness...

  • Zeynep Unsal
    Zeynep Unsal 4 months ago

    Maybe Arthur is the father of the joker

  • knoble1985
    knoble1985 4 months ago

    The proof is in the title i suppose!

  • colleen mcnally
    colleen mcnally 4 months ago

    Nope he is the joker and he has clown things and does kill people not a harmless man I'm mental ward in his imaginary world. That would mean he didn't ever need to act it out his own mind is satisfied in his own room. Like to think as it happens for real.

  • Erika
    Erika 4 months ago

    wait but.. Joker and Batman are half-brothers

  • G G
    G G 4 months ago

    I feel like the laugh after he kills Murray was genuine

  • Absybad
    Absybad 4 months ago +1

    _The Biggest Joke of The Movie Is That The Movie Itself Is A Joke._

  • John Wright
    John Wright 4 months ago

    Scenes of him wearing the brown jacket is fake. Surely im not the only one who noticed this

  • John Wright
    John Wright 4 months ago

    I read where that the scenes where joker uses his left hand is fake and the right hand is real. But what about the brown jacket my peoples. It appears alot is true, alot is fake. The joker created Batman and the Batman is a rich prick according to the Jokers perspective but let's not be manipulated to believe evil. If this is a version of the real joker than regardless or not that the Batman turns into a rich prick defending justice. The joker is still a sick, dimented, murderer

  • John Wright
    John Wright 4 months ago

    This is easy. Everything is the movie where joker wears a brown jacket is fake. Everything else is real

  • Brantley Smith
    Brantley Smith 4 months ago

    No!!! This is the realest joker ever portrayed or even written about!!! Jack Nicholson's doesn't even compare!

  • Erik Freeman
    Erik Freeman 4 months ago

    I prefer to think he is the real joker

  • TheJonas973
    TheJonas973 4 months ago

    Personally, I feel the fact that the movie has you think a little for yourself is a good part of its appeal. It leaves a bit to the imagination rather than just being clear cut, just the way Joker would want it I think. But my take on the ending was yes everything happened except him killing her at the end which is what he was laughing about and explains why she "wouldn't get it"

  • chibulls 1
    chibulls 1 4 months ago

    Let me save you 4 minutes. It might be fake.

  • brian janson
    brian janson 4 months ago

    Thank god Todd Phillips isn't going to merge this world with Batman. This movie is a serious drama like Taxi Driver.

  • Fausta Castaneda
    Fausta Castaneda 4 months ago

    Could you introduce me as Joker? Definitely not!

  • Redstar2613
    Redstar2613 4 months ago +1

    5 minutes ago I thought this was the best movie of 2019... now it's the most disappointing movie I've ever seen. I wish I never watched this video...

  • Zalazar
    Zalazar 4 months ago +1

    Great movie, good luck making a sequel tho

  • Destroyer Vids
    Destroyer Vids 4 months ago

    0:46 u forgot killing randal

  • kate
    kate 4 months ago

    what an ingenious story-a good adult movie with great acting.

  • Joe Felice
    Joe Felice 4 months ago

    Joker’s only real laugh is right after he shoot’s Murray.

  • tom slick
    tom slick 4 months ago

    None . The clock tells us that

  • paul w
    paul w 4 months ago

    it's inspiration, Scorsese's "King of Comedy" also did this......

  • Yelena Banshchikova
    Yelena Banshchikova 4 months ago

    This movie is a future cult classic. Or at least it should be :)