The First Contactless Only Station (No Oyster)

Was there an osi you didn’t know about

It’s Cool

hey I went on the National Rail Services

This line used to be good crap franchised rail services have ruined it. One BR eastern region line.

I have 30 tubes maps you must have a lot I will have 33 tube maps tomorrow or Friday I am a big fan of you I think you should do St Albans City cause that Station takes contactless and not oyster

Uh! Could you repeat that......I only want to go to Brookmans Park. :-)

I recall that (about 30 years ago) the guy in the ticket office would sometimes play a game... if you could take the money off the spinning plate thing where you put your change quicker than he could spin it, you got your ticket free. Against the rules I am sure, but a nice memory. I never did win :(
Going back even further in time, I am told by my grandmother that the station master would help people with baggage and grew roses and vegetables in the small plot of land by the ticket office.

Of course the con is you can't add a railcard discount to a contactless card.

Cross Eliz Purp...is that some new weed strain you guys got in the UK?

Very confusing ... what if someone taps in with an Oyster card in Central London ... how do they tap out at a non-Oyster station?

I’ve still got credit on my oyster you bastards!

What’s the point in a pay as you go oyster? I understand that the season tickets are cheaper but for pay as you go it’s the same price to use a bank card

Oyster going bye bye

What About Freedom Passes

I find this to be downright outrageous; what about tourists who'll get charged unreasonable sums for using foreign credit cards, what about those without credit cards, what about those who would usually be eligible for discounts?

I would be so lost as a tourist and probably get fined for not paying for not knowing.

We will shortly be arriving at Brookmans park

Ockendon , chafford hundred, grays and purfleet are not in zone ten and you for got tilbury its and the start from zone 7 to 9 I know that as I go there every week

Jus why？

wow didn't not you where a Geocacher!

I don’t really get why they bother having all these zones, I feel like it would be a lot easier to do it like they do where I live in Boston. What we do here is we have one zone for the entire thing, it’s a flat fee of 1.75$ to go anywhere. 1.25 for seniors, 1.30 if you have a student card given by schools, and free under 13. During the summer it goes up to 2.00 normal,1.50 senior, 1.55 student, and free under 13. For the Commuter trains, flat fee of about 10 dollars, varies by line but you pay the same price to go however many stops. No off peak/ on peak fees, only differences is age and card type.

Not often one hears about geocaching! Are there any interesting caches at any stations in the 15 zones?

1984

The year is 2060 and Newcastle has been added to the tube map in zone 69

Nobody will understand, but: 1:20 SCR vibes

I thought those shiny new trains were only on Thameslink!

In the netherlands . Oyster is called "OV-Chipcard" which is valid in the whole country . If you check in and out of course . Sometimes a paper ticket is cheaper 🤔

I thought the whole point of Oyster was to make this kind of multiple card faff a thing of the past. This is going to cause a lot of problems. Let's see how much TfL is inundated with irrate customers.... Good thing I saw this when I did as I might be moving to London for university later this year....

Why don’t they put reading in zone 15? I think they should put Iver and Langley in zone 7, slough in Zone 8, burnham and taplow in 9 and then Maidenhead, twyford and reading in a special zone (15 maybe)

I was once on a train that was going from Victoria to ramsgate, and it stops at Bromley south and then into Kent (long field is the first stop in Kent) and a lady thought she could go to somewhere beyond Bromley using her oyster and the guard said “no sorry you have to get off at longfield and head back into London to tap off” she was a bit upset but at least he was nice and didn’t fine her. I think National rail conductors are much nicer than tube inspectors they will always make exceptions on NR but the TFL inspectors will just slap you with £80 Penalty

Man I’d love if you could do all these challenges and testing and history lessons over in NYC with their MTA transit. I’m finding this quite fascinating and I don’t even live in the UK, lol

No wonder Sunbus still use cash...

Hey Geoff I'm loving the videos mate..I've been trying to find the cheapest way to get from where I am at Bushey Overground station to the furthest point going towards Southend using only oyster/contactless..I believe it's Upminster then just get a paper ticket to Southend..is that the best way or is there a better way..👍

Interesting reading this 5 months later, because, currently,
the last thing on your mind, if approached by a Chinese would be Oyster cards!
And, talking of which, once contactless became a thing, surely Oyster cards' days were numbered? So why not just get rid of the scheme?
And lastly - yet another illustration of a programmer not making a field big enough and thereby setting of an obsolescence time bomb on their system. Will they ever learn?

Isn't Oyster 'contactless'?

Why not just encode zones in the system as zone-1 so all 16 zones could be used?

Yawn. Many countries in Asia already fully contactless

I was secretly hoping for the contactless symbol rearrangement since I saw it @03:38 :D

So what if you don't have a contactless credit card ?

Can't we just have three zones? Central London, Greater London & home counties.

I'm confused. If oyster is contactless, how is the new contactless card different, if you still have to tap?

One thing for certain is it will be chaos, especially for unfamiliar travellers or tourists.
As for fares, paper ticket v PAYG. Use the TfL 'single fare finder' for PAYG and the National rail journey planner for paper ticket fares and compare. (no need for expensive trial and error as Geoff suggests) From these new areas, a day return paper ticket may be cheaper depending on times travelled, but for single journeys a Pay as you go fare with contactless will almost certainly be much cheaper and very good value to be welcomed. Example. Brookmans Park to Gatwick Airport PAYG is £10.80 off-peak £17.90 peak. A paper ticket standard single £18.60. However, for a return journey, an off peak day return paper ticket is £21.80 something to think about if using contactless and your return journey is in the evening PAYG peak 16.00-19.00 that would work out more expensive £28.70. Even more confusing though, at weekends a super off peak return is available at £14.10 so now it would definitely be cheaper to buy the paper ticket!! Basically it's a minefield and you have to become a geeky fare nerd to know if you're using the cheapest fare, which you shouldn't have to. These complications exist travelling to/from all these new areas, the secret zones 10-15 (Merstham-Gatwick, Epsom, Iver-Reading, Radlett-Luton Airport, Hertford North, Potters Bar-Welwyn GC, Grays and Shenfield) there are now essentially two competing fare structures with either being the cheapest depending on your personal requirements. GOOD LUCK & DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
The GTR waffle about comparable fares is just whitewash over this confusing shambles. They don't give a toss if you pay or not, it's not their concern, they don't receive the money. In my example above, to stumble into paying almost double for the same journey through lack of geeky fare knowledge is not comparable in my opinion. In an ideal world the system should compare both fare structures for the journey you make and charge the cheapest accordingly.

All this has made it virtually impossible to work out the cheapest way to travel unless you are certain of the time that you're coming back. At Potters Bar we have the privilege of being able to use both Contactless and Oyster and the price for each is the same. But you also need to compare the cost of a paper ticket. If you travel at peak times Mon /Friday then the price of Oyster and paper ticket is the same. But if you've a railcard then it's cheaper to use that in the evening return. If you travel off peak then the rail ticket is cheaper. If you have a railcard then that's cheaper too, but you need to add it to your Oyster card if you want to use that. At the weekend it's cheaper to get a paper ticket if you're returning and travelling into London.

Madness is in Zone 16 / 17 and Genius is in zone 17, but ,be warned , there’s no service between them ,and definitely no request stop

When you are all good at 8AM and 6pm

What is contactless?

The whole fare structure is a complete mess. I feel so sorry for tourists visiting London. There are plenty of native Londoners who don't fully understand it, so how are they meant to? Aside from it being horribly overpriced compared to other countries.
In Paris, for example, it is €1.90 for any journey via any train or bus, regardless of length of journey.

Maybe instead of the wireless symbol, just ask that your already working wireless card be useable on the same route?

The width of those seats 🤦‍♀️

Isn't a station with no oyster cards just any station not in London?

Why aren’t they allowing Oyster user in those stations?

Why such an asinine payment complication?

Seems really stupid and short sighted...

Why hasn't the UK implemented a national contactless card yet? we've had this in the Netherlands for about 10 years now and before then, we had a nationwide paper ticket system for municipal transport since the 80s, why is the UK incapable of implementing this?

Where did you get the national rail and underground map, did you copy it then print it
From zahid

They should be able to go out to zone 16 because there is no zone 0.

Oakleigh park is my local station :)

London: New Trains and constant investment.
Tyne and Wear Metro: "yous get investment?"

You know, in Hungary, we like to curse our public transport provider, but seeing your videos, I realized they are fine, tbh.

Here in Melbourne, Australia, we have a similar system to your contactless cards. We have a myki system whereby we have these gates (Similar to the gates you have entering the platform) and unless you touch on, you will not be able to make the train.

I hope southeastern gets the same train as the Elizabeth line aka tfl rail to replace some of the 465 class
The tfl rail new trains are good hoping southeastern will get the as they look like the 465 class with those doors

That is ridiculous

These London train and tube videos are so interesting to me because the system is so different from the trains where I live. In Victoria, Australia we only have three zones in total and zone three is for the rural Vline trains which you have to buy tickets for rather than use a Myki, our name for the oyster type card. Also contactless hasn’t come into fruition anywhere in the state thus far and touching on with a virtual card on a phone is restricted to android devices and the card readers are still being updated for it to work seamlessly

I asked TfL for further information. This is their reply: "Due to technological limitations with the Oyster system, which is an old system, it is difficult to correctly track and apply caps to Oyster cards at stations new to the network. As the contactless system is newer these issues are easier solved."

Please excuse my ignorance,but what are the zones used for, Brian,near wendover station,

Unfortunately, one can add a senior rail card to an Oystercard, but not to a contactless, or phone. More work required.

Is there anywhere in either Britain or the world, that has made automatic barriers unstaffed while using flimsy tickets made of low quality water-absorbent cardboard?
I ask because, on holiday in Barcelona just 14 months ago, the city travel passes were of that shocking quality - for once, why don't a continental railway copy ours! All the tube stations appeared to be staffed, + I had great cause to be glad they were. I was going around with my passport all the time: just too fearful of global apartheid + of not seeing what had happened if anything happened to it, to leave it in our hotel. My friend who did not feel the same, found that without his passport he could not to go into the tour of the Catalan parlt, where he had not appreciated there was an identity requirement, so in that way my choice was better. But for tube travel my choice was not better.
In the 27 deg heat + sun, that's in November! my passport's cover sweated, + made my travel pass softer. Something I had not forseen when to spread my eggs I chose not to carry it inside my wallet. It worked on a tram, where you have to dip it into a validator machine. But then when we went from that tram into a tube station, the barrier chewed it into fluff. And after my friend had already gone through. The staff woman who rescued me was actually used to it! knew that damp was the cause, gave me a replacement pass no problem, but told me I needed to keep it dry !
btw She automatically spoke English + assumed I did, without any knowing or asking of where I was from.

Four bits? Given when this was developed, didn't the designers learn anything from Y2K????? Yes, they learned they'll be paid big bucks to fix it further down the line.

Surprised paper tickets are still legal, didn't the buses get rid of them years ago? You can't track paper tickets in a central database, and that might lead to all sorts of people using the system... murderers, terrorists, smokers...

TFL Rail was now running to Reading from Paddington.It was started on the 15/12/2019 on Sunday