The First Contactless Only Station (No Oyster)

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  • Published on Oct 7, 2019
  • On the London Rail and Tube Map, Brookmans Park has appeared with a 'Contactless' symbol next to it, denoting it can be used for Contactless PAYG travel, but NOT Oyster cards!
    You can still use a paper ticket - as always - of course, but there's more of these to come, with nine stations about to appear on the Tube Map which will also be Contactless Only/No Oyster. I went for a ride to Brooksmans Park to investigate.
    With thanks to Mike from the 'Oyster Rail' website. For so much information about Oyster/Contacless and your questions answered, have a look at Mike's amazing site: www.oyster-rail.org.uk/
    Download London's rail and Tube services map here: tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/national-rail
    Get the Oyster Errors App: apps.apple.com/gb/app/oyster-errors-revealing-secret/id886704291
    Read the TfL Press Release here: tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2019/september/tfl-rail-to-operate-services-to-reading-from-15-december

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  • —{ Unassailable }—

    Does freedom pass work on the contactless only machines? As it’s technically not an oyster. If not then what are old people gonna do. Use cash? Cos many don’t have cards.

  • —{ Unassailable }—

    So why cant we just go through the station and then go to a station one away from where we need to go, tap in, and then tap in when we arrive...

  • Rahul Kapur
    Rahul Kapur 8 hours ago

    Hows my home gonna be in zone 15

  • BassoonsAreAwesome
    BassoonsAreAwesome 9 hours ago +1

    So there are that many zones north of the river but they can't bring the underground south of it?

  • beneath mydreams
    beneath mydreams 10 hours ago

    What if you are a tourist and your card doesn’t work? Or you loose your contactless? How are you gonna travel? There should be multiple options at every station.

  • Allen Williams
    Allen Williams 11 hours ago

    I fail to see what the problem is. Oyster cards should only be valid in Greater London. If you are going outside, use contactless, or buy a paper/downloadable ticket.

  • Wind em up!
    Wind em up! 11 hours ago

    Not to be a conspiracy theorist, and I am quite sure others think the same, but they are making us use technology to see where we go whereas with money they couldn't track us.

  • Ritchie Rosson
    Ritchie Rosson 12 hours ago

    Do you also do a podcast? Wonderful interesting video sir.

  • malthuswasright
    malthuswasright 12 hours ago

    What a boneheaded idea...

  • Rod Thorpe
    Rod Thorpe 15 hours ago

    Am curious what the benefit of an Oyster card is over just using your regular contactless bank card? Are the fares cheaper? Speaking as an occasional commuter to London from Surrey where I can use my contactless card without having to buy a paper ticket, I just continue using the same card as I travel around London. Surely, considering it's technical limitations, Oyster will eventually be phased out in favour of just bank-card contactless?

  • Nick White
    Nick White 17 hours ago

    NYC Subway: All fares $2.75
    London Underground: Transport for London's Travelcard zones to calculate the fares, including fares on the Underground only. Travelcard Zone 1 is the most central, with a boundary just outside the Circle line and Travelcard Zone 6 is the most outlying zone covering any of Greater London and it includes London Heathrow Airport. All of Greater London is covered by zones 1 to 6.
    Tickets including zone 1 are usually more expensive than those involving only outer zones. The most popular destinations and most interchange stations are in zone 1, meaning that most journeys over similar distances will cost the same. A few stations in the north east of the network, on the Central line, outside Greater London (in the Epping Forest district) are in zones 4, 5 and 6. In the north west of the network, on the Metropolitan line, zones 7, 8 and 9 (formerly A - D) cover stations outside Greater London including Amersham and Chesham in the Chiltern district of Buckinghamshire. Unlike the lower numbered zones, these ancillary areas do not encircle the capital. Some stations are in two zones. Most often, they are on the boundary of two adjacent zones: For example, Vauxhall is in Zones 1 and 2. Ten stations in east London, many in the London Borough of Newham area, are in both zone 2 and 3: Abbey Rd, Bromley-by-Bow, Canning Town, East India, Pudding Mill Lane, Star Lane, Stratford, Stratford High Street, Stratford International and West Ham. This creates the situation where two consecutive stations on a radial route are in both zones - West Ham and Bromley by Bow; Stratford and Pudding Mill Lane; Canning Town and East India. A traveller a two-zone station can, in effect, 'save' a zone and perhaps therefore pay a cheaper fare. For example, travelling to West Ham from any zone 2 station is a single zone journey, but so is travelling there from any zone 3 station.

  • Cheesecake HD
    Cheesecake HD 17 hours ago

    But why... is it so complex to read an oyster card? What's the issue with using Oyster everywhere where you can use contactless?

  • OK! But then again.
    OK! But then again. 20 hours ago

    Why cannot the UK have a national travel card like the Dutch, who use their OV card to travel on bus, train, tram. Ok there ares till price differences between modes of transport, but, it means one card for everything. Plus you can top up at any load station positioned on each station or in some places like a supermarket, post office, special shops that have them..Simple i think.

  • Steve Sea
    Steve Sea 23 hours ago

    You went on that long journey just to see if what their paper-work said was correct?

  • Pokemoneuro
    Pokemoneuro Day ago +1

    The OV Chipcard used in The Netherlands sounds much easier... You add balance to it, at least 20 euros or more to travel by train (can automatically recharge via bank) and you just use it like you would with an oyster card, nothing with zones or anything. Works for trains, underground, buses and NS Bikes. Oh and students can use it for free (bikes not included -_-) either throughout the week, or throughout the weekend, you can choose.

  • Sally Larkin
    Sally Larkin Day ago

    It 2100 and iverness is in zone 5555

  • cogidubnus1953
    cogidubnus1953 Day ago

    So if you don't carry a mobile phone, just what can you use?

    • cogidubnus1953
      cogidubnus1953 Day ago

      @Ricardo Wiggett Thanks again!

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett Day ago

      @cogidubnus1953 Correct, cash is no longer directly accepted on TfL buses, but Oyster and contactless touch ins work, as well as pre-purchased Travelcards (which can be paid for with cash).

    • cogidubnus1953
      cogidubnus1953 Day ago +1

      @Ricardo Wiggett Thanks! I hadn't realised they still took cash - the buses don't...and whilst Oyster still works within London, I wonder if that's going to continue indefinitely...cheers again.

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett Day ago

      A contactless debit card, or buy a paper ticket with cash.
      Within the borders of Greater London, Oyster still works fine as well.

  • polchraine
    polchraine Day ago +1

    So, apparently, Oyster cards will not be usable from West Drayton to Reading for te reasons you explain. However, TfL have said that 60+ Freedom Passes will be valid on the route provided TfL services are used.

    My 60+ card clearly states Oyster - so is it actually an Oyster card or is is a disguised Contactless? Come 15th December, I will be trying it out to see how well it works (or not).

  • dondon33
    dondon33 Day ago

    Why don't TFL just create two maps? One for Crossrail, the other for everything else. Wouldn't that make sense?

  • Graham Larkbey
    Graham Larkbey Day ago

    Far from scrapping the paper Tube map, as mentioned at the end, there are mutterings about scrapping the fold-out London Rail & Tube Map as (allegedly) take-up is reducing. Not surprising when it's not available at Tube stations and you have to ask for it at most others!

  • Arxces
    Arxces Day ago

    Oyster Version 2.0 could be an Oyster-branded stored balance debit card, issued in partnership with either Visa or Mastercard. You could use such a card to buy things other than transport.

  • dronespace
    dronespace 2 days ago

    I am completely against this. The whole point of oyster is to have a simplified system where you can use the card everywhere. If they start having stations that don't allow them then that completely defeats the point

  • Kieran Harvey
    Kieran Harvey 2 days ago

    I am confused about the new trains on this line. It was my understanding all UK trains must have a certain percentage of yellow on the front for visibility, do you know much about why these trains are allowed to bypass this rule?

  • Mario J. Pav
    Mario J. Pav 2 days ago

    Why is shenfield zone 12 when Brentwood is 9 and just round the corner? Same rule as Epping?

  • bruce hancock
    bruce hancock 2 days ago +1

    Thank your lucky stars. I just returned from Sydney where not only do you you have to remember to tap out of busses, let alone trams!

  • Adam Langton
    Adam Langton 2 days ago

    Are we going to get to a stage where there are no guards on trains and no one is going to bother paying to travel to a station like this with no barriers from a similar set up of station. Where i travel from in surrey there is no barriers either end of trip and never a guard to check anyone. They counter the loss by putting prices up again year on year and even more lose interest!

  • griffin rails
    griffin rails 2 days ago

    Probably the worst idea ever.

  • Michael Perry
    Michael Perry 2 days ago

    Will St Albans be Oyster or contactless only?

  • Hygge Musings
    Hygge Musings 2 days ago

    This is stupid, not everyone wants to use Contactless Cards. Just another way for the Government to track people

  • Bo Stark
    Bo Stark 2 days ago

    What da heck I'm I watching

  • John Walsh
    John Walsh 2 days ago +1

    Does nobody get the fact that in the not so distant future there will be no such thing as travelling anonymously. Everybody will be tracked, no cash fares, just contactless bank cards. We live in a surveillance society. Look around You.

  • Ron England
    Ron England 2 days ago

    Oyster is faster than contactless. Yes it’s minimal, but across the entire network that total additional time per day would be an interesting calculation.

  • Willie Dennison
    Willie Dennison 2 days ago +1

    Mate quality video. But i have no idea what I'm doing watching it lmao

  • The TrackTrekkers Club

    I thought Reading was going to be in zone 10.. at least that's what an earlier video of yours suggested (:--:)

  • tim reading
    tim reading 2 days ago +1

    I use to live near Brookmans park. And it’s nice

  • mackan2017
    mackan2017 2 days ago

    Just to say.....the recent announcement that Crossrail won’t be completed and up & running until March 2021 should be read as the EARLIEST date that it will be fully open. Trust me👍🏻
    And even when it does open, I’ll still be using the Piccadilly Line (or the Heathrow Express if I’m in a real hurry) to get to LHR. I refuse to pay Scammer Khan’s rip-off supplementary LHR fare on Crossrail. He (as the decision-maker) should be ashamed of himself👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

    • mackan2017
      mackan2017 2 days ago

      Norbiton Flyer
      Yes, that may be the case, but it’s Mr Khant that sanctioned and approved it. They demanded it, he just rolled over and approved it. £12 is a disgusting amount for what is a supplementary fare👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      It's not Khan who is responsible for the higher fare to Heathrow, it's the owners of the airport, who built and own the tunnel and insist on a premium fare in order to pay for building it.

  • Jaime Brown
    Jaime Brown 3 days ago +2

    If they can’t add oyster then why bother? Should just not be in the London fare zone and you’ll need to buy paper tickets

  • Adam Smith
    Adam Smith 3 days ago

    Not a good idea there are multiple groups of people this will severely impact:
    1. Minors. Minors can't open bank accounts or credit cards so they won't be able to pay the fares on this contactless only reader. How the hell will they be able to use the system now?
    2. Tourists. Banks charge ridiculous bullshit fees called "foreign transaction fees" they can rack up quick and many times tourists will only use cash for this sole reason. I guess more money for the greedy Banks right TFL?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago +1

      They can still buy paper tickets using cash

  • Ryan Paaz
    Ryan Paaz 3 days ago +1

    Watched this whole thing, and being American, I have no idea what the hell this all means.

  • Chris Richmond
    Chris Richmond 3 days ago

    Heck Geoff this is confusing..
    Thank goodness my £75 all service IOM Rail Platinum ticket is easy to remember .. 😉

  • Danei I
    Danei I 3 days ago

    I don't understand why they'd phase out the Oyster card. Whatever next. The class 717 has no character and looks sterile.

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      Expensive to run, and the technology is getting old. Contactless makes use of the banks' infrastructure instead.

  • Juliet A
    Juliet A 3 days ago

    This is inadvertently costing us more money. Thieving bastards. Eventually it will be the death of the Oyster card, and the introduction of the 'Beast System', a microchip embedded into one's hand. God help us.......

  • Stephen Lawrence
    Stephen Lawrence 3 days ago

    Geoff, could you do a video about the new barriers which now separate the fast side of a platform from the slow side?

  • Stephen Lawrence
    Stephen Lawrence 3 days ago

    Sure hope they move that )))) contactless symbol ;-) :-D

  • poodle559
    poodle559 3 days ago

    You lost me after the first 2 mins, thank god i live up north.

  • Peter Howson
    Peter Howson 3 days ago +1

    Those of us who have synch'ed their rail cards with Oyster need to be careful not to use contactless cards unless we are guaranteed the same discount. Time to update the Oyster system with a proper mobile payment system that recognises discounts.

  • NeoDerGrosse
    NeoDerGrosse 3 days ago

    The more interedting question is, why? Is that the beginning of the end of Oyster?

  • LukeRM
    LukeRM 3 days ago +1

    So is this the beginning of the end for Oyster? I would be ok with that were it not for the fact that railcards aren’t compatible with Contactless.

  • Max Eaves
    Max Eaves 3 days ago

    Geoff, the reason why Oyster is not being supported on these stations outside the core London zones 1-6 is that TfL are not interested in running the Oyster card scheme. It costs them (TfL) money as Oyster is a proprietary system from Cubic. Whilst it is supported at places such as Heathrow and Gatwick, you will begin to see stations outside zones 1-6 being converted into contactless stations. It's all to do with ITSO and DfT wanting to push their standard onto the rest of the UK Rail and public transport networks. Shame the technology is 15 years too late. Having contactless only means that you only have to process payment card data, not hold data on customers and thereby reducing potential GDPR issues (with data leaks).

  • fms alle
    fms alle 3 days ago

    So what happens if you have a student oyster

    • Geoff Marshall
      Geoff Marshall  3 days ago

      just buy a paper ticket like you've always been able to do.

  • Mack Andreou
    Mack Andreou 3 days ago

    just another way to confuse the public in to giving our money to tfl. so many ways to pay you cant just rely on one no thats to easy. you have to have all of them as if traveling wasn't hard enough. another thing i hate is if you tap into the wrong station with a contactless card and ask to leave you cant get you're money back but with oyster you can be refunded there and then.

  • DSQueenie
    DSQueenie 3 days ago

    It’s silly because what if you have a zone 1 to 6 travel card but does that mean you have to get off at zone six and then re-tap in on your contactless card?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago +2

      You can buy an extension ticket, either with your card or with cash, at a ticket machine or ticket office before you travel

  • Jeremy Roe
    Jeremy Roe 3 days ago

    There are a few flaws in contactless only. Foreigners won't be able to access the station because almost all banks don't allow contactless to work outside of the country, let alone a different currency. Additionally, there are children who are too young for contactless cards and use a zip Oyster

  • Govvy
    Govvy 3 days ago

    It’s silly, Oyster should be extended nation wide, also, it’s a strange feeling seeing you at the village station where I grew up.

    • Allen Williams
      Allen Williams 11 hours ago

      No. We don't want the primitive Oyster card, thanks.

  • Mochamad Fachri
    Mochamad Fachri 3 days ago

    Could they update the system used by Oyster ? I mean, Ireland has TFI Leap which works all over the country, and IC cards in Japan that are released by JR Group are largely compatible with each other.

  • Damien M
    Damien M 3 days ago

    This is a liberty, I always tell people to always use an oyster card and not contactless, they can take any amount they choose on a contactless card! If you forget to tap out the staff can immediately refund your oyster card they can't do that on your debit card, this is not good

  • Matt Norman
    Matt Norman 4 days ago

    All those new stations far out of London have been added... But still no oyster in Stains..

  • twyfordlion
    twyfordlion 4 days ago +1

    I live in Twyford and welcome the contactless at the station, each time a get a ticket for Reading or London I have three pieces of paper. Better to have it all electronic, don't bother with the phone thing it is rather flaky in my experience. Crossrail, looking forward to it.

  • ginger jon
    ginger jon 4 days ago +2

    but I've only got an oyster, what about those who don't have or want to use contless?

  • mathieu
    mathieu 4 days ago +2

    So u can't use zip cards? What about teenagers who don't have credit/debit cards

  • Pete S.
    Pete S. 4 days ago +1

    I wonder if this would lead to the phasing out of oyster cards for contactless or something that can work on a more wider scale than London.

  • Buses InsideM25
    Buses InsideM25 4 days ago

    I think they charge extra for using a credit card... ways to make money I guess

  • bomb-de-dyl
    bomb-de-dyl 4 days ago

    St Albans City - Luton Airport also getting contactless (no Oyster) at the end of this month - The readers they've installed don't have the orange stickers though and just look like normal readers though which is interesting. Kinda silly not to bring it up to Bedford though - only 5 other stations of which 2 are actually busy.

  • Patrik Kron
    Patrik Kron 4 days ago

    This seams stupid. So if you have a public transport card, you should not be able to use it everywhere. Also if you hit the max fee on a card and then need to use another card, and pay again...

  • beijingpete
    beijingpete 4 days ago

    So I have to get my son his own credit card now!

    • beijingpete
      beijingpete 2 days ago

      @Norbiton Flyer Do you not understand the point of an Oyster card?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      Can't he use cash?

  • AJGeeTV
    AJGeeTV 4 days ago

    Another reason not to visit London.

  • ChrisPhoto1991
    ChrisPhoto1991 4 days ago +2

    As a none Londoner, your ticketing systems and prices are just so confusing 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • Steve Sea
      Steve Sea 23 hours ago

      As a Londoner i completely agree with you.

  • kabongpope
    kabongpope 4 days ago +1

    Could be worse: you could have your fare system run by Metrolinx/Presto! :P

    • David Browne
      David Browne 2 days ago

      Wait you want Zone Pricing? That will make things complicated, TTC got rid of zone Pricing in 1970

  • Kyro
    Kyro 4 days ago

    Time to bump train

  • A A
    A A 4 days ago

    This is stupid and unneeded why not just put a oyster reader in which reads both contactless and oyster

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago +1

      Because the Oyster system is limited to Zones, and Brookmans Park is outside the zonal system. Contactless does not have that limitation.

  • Pete Smyth
    Pete Smyth 4 days ago +1

    Extending contactless coverage a few stations at a time give me an idea: Why not have all National Rail, Tube, local rail, etc. stations accept contactless cards, with the same fee system, and travel would be far easier and less confusing? If only we could get all operators to agree (umm... nationalisation?).

  • Sam 1
    Sam 1 4 days ago +1

    All it is is places outside of london are not being able to use oyster. I think that's not as big of an issue as people are making out.

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 4 days ago

      Right. For locals in the London border areas, the boundaries are often fairly seamless and almost invisible, but they would be familiar with the trans-border idiosyncrasies. When driving, the street name signs are the most obvious giveaway as to which borough you're in, as long as you're familiar with each borough's signage design/colour of course.

  • cat ✨
    cat ✨ 4 days ago +1

    the issue is that not everyone has/can get an oyster card. i moved back to the uk after having lived abroad for several years and you have to have lived in the uk for 3 years to get a contactless card.

    • cat ✨
      cat ✨ 4 days ago

      i was living in the usa where contactless doesn’t exist.

  • Adam G
    Adam G 4 days ago

    Ah the sticker I put up at Ealing. It has been replaced by a larger sign now. Looks much nicer.

  • Stephen Cooke
    Stephen Cooke 4 days ago

    Why are public transport fares in the UK so arbitrary? I get that frequent users should get a discount, I get that different travel times affect price, but whether you are paper ticket, Oyster or Contactless it should be the same fare. Taking my kids to London has proven to be almost impossible to take advantage of discounted u16 fares. These days it should be simple to set up a given card (of any type) to a user/discount profile.

  • Max Waterman
    Max Waterman 5 days ago

    4 bits is 16 different numbers...did you forget zero or is that excluded for some reason?

  • UnknownArtist 720
    UnknownArtist 720 5 days ago

    I wonder now, would it be cheaper to still get a paper ticket with a railcard to travel from Paddington to Reading then to use contactless? Because i presume it will be the same fare just that there's a more convenient way of getting through the barriers if you're in a rush and haven't bought a ticket

  • Julian Mann
    Julian Mann 5 days ago

    My brain hurts

  • AlisonWheeler
    AlisonWheeler 5 days ago

    Now I'm puzzled. aiui Freedom Pass (& U16 & staff) are valid - by law - on all bus and rail services operated by TfL, which includes CrossPurpLiz. So will the 'not Oyster' machines accept these special Oysters?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      I suppose they will have to - but remember that beyond Hayes & Harlington those passes will only be valid on the all-stations Crossrail services, not on GWR

  • SocieteRoyale
    SocieteRoyale 5 days ago +8

    I don't have a contactless bank card - therefore will I be forever trapped in limbo at the station?

  • howverycliche
    howverycliche 5 days ago

    I watched this in full and I still don't understand why you can't use oyster here? Is it that there is a limit on how many stations they can allocate oyster to?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      @howverycliche Geoff explains in the video that there is a technical limit on the number of separate zones Oyster can use. The zones are for the most part concentric rings around London, so that fares can increase stepwise with distance from London. Beyond a certain distance you run out of zones

    • howverycliche
      howverycliche 5 days ago

      Geoff Marshall thanks for the reply! So does this mean that there is a set number of zones/groups of stations that can be allocated to oyster? Is it that the oyster system is not capable of operating in so many stations? I understand the concept of not being able to use your oyster here I just don't understand why. Perhaps i've missed the point

    • Geoff Marshall
      Geoff Marshall  5 days ago +2

      they want to make the station a place where you can 'tap in' with a card, but the limitations of the Oyster system means that there are no more zones left, so they've made it for Bank Contactless only, not Oyster.

  • uncriticalsimon
    uncriticalsimon 5 days ago

    How would this work for seasons, particularly Travelcard seasons? You can't put those on contactless.

  • Evan D
    Evan D 5 days ago +4

    Of course there is no need to *buy* a paper ticket to test it out whether contactless is cheaper than a paper ticket. Just get a quote from the ticket machine, then cancel the purchase

    • Adam Smith
      Adam Smith 3 days ago

      Maybe maybe not. If you have to pay your bank those scam foreign transaction fees then paper will probably be cheaper

  • Ingvar Mattsson
    Ingvar Mattsson 5 days ago +1

    I've recently noticed that Forest Gate station has Purp roundels on at least one platform, rather than the standard "TfL Rail" roundels.

  • Moona
    Moona 5 days ago

    So what soon we can only use our bank cards? This is fucked. So if they don't want you to travel they can just freeze your account. Can't even use cash. Wtf?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago +1

      But you can still use cash

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 4 days ago

      That is a possibility. For now, Oyster still works anywhere in London.

  • Martin Tyler
    Martin Tyler 5 days ago

    Doesn't appear to be any barriers though so you just walk off?
    Surely this is already true once you pass out of zone 6 (ie. Feltham) on way to Reading the Oyster is not valid so you get a penalty fare, go to jail etc. Just another way of HM Railways ripping us customers off. Cool

  • Rory Yeung
    Rory Yeung 5 days ago

    So if the definition of London that it's anywhere you can use an oyster card, will reading soon be included?

  • OldUKAds
    OldUKAds 5 days ago

    Sadiq Khan broke his promise to freeze all fares in about 5 minutes. This is now the gradual erosion of Oyster and thus annual tickets. Think how much money they could make if the punish the regular commuters some more. It's not good.

  • Gary Garratt
    Gary Garratt 5 days ago +1

    The age of automation has arrived. What a soulesss place this country is about to become.

  • Sakhr Al-Makhadhi
    Sakhr Al-Makhadhi 5 days ago

    That's got to be the beginning of the end for Oyster then, doesn't it? This is how TfL talks about Oyster in their press release:
    "Pay as you go with Oyster will not be extended to services beyond West Drayton, due to limitations with the system, which is now more than 15 years old. Millions of journeys in and around London are already being made using contactless every day; with 60 per cent of rail pay as you go journeys made using contactless."

  • crazygeorgelincoln
    crazygeorgelincoln 5 days ago

    Hoped you would have shown the Dartford zone switch , what's perp short for in American English. What's the price per mile on oyster.
    I rarely use public transport,each time I do something has changed to add further inconvenience.

    • crazygeorgelincoln
      crazygeorgelincoln 4 days ago +1

      @Ricardo Wiggett effectively what did it cost. I know the zone system living in zone 6 , driving is cheaper for me. But parking is impossible at useful times of day.

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 4 days ago

      Oyster doesn't charge per mile or km: TfL uses a concentric zoning system.

  • Scott Lafferty
    Scott Lafferty 5 days ago +2

    That’s easyJet orange.

  • Sven Lm
    Sven Lm 5 days ago

    So what happens to the Oyster card if you forget the station you wish to tap out in doesn't take Oyster but you tapped in with it.
    Does it charge you a maximum fee or does it register you tapped out but tell you an error?
    You should be able to tap out with all methods that are used to tap in, even if certain stations don't allow you to tap in with that method.

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 2 days ago

      How would that work? It is possible to tap in at Kings Cross and board a train to Inverness

  • Edward Byard
    Edward Byard 5 days ago

    Surely Oyster's days are numbered? I never use mine now. Maybe they should only use it for foreign visitors now, kind of like how the HK metro does.

  • Lieve Jansen
    Lieve Jansen 5 days ago

    Only a few more miles more and you'll have the same travel card system as we have in the whole of the netherlands. Imagine oyster but for the entire country (and bikes as well!!)

  • andrew ryder
    andrew ryder 5 days ago +3

    This is so geeky, but I love it.

  • James Hardy
    James Hardy 5 days ago

    I'm wondering what will happen for season tickets on the Elizabeth Line. If the Reading branch is not going to be Oyster compatible, and TfL are not going to want to encourage paper ticket usage, will TfL have to introduce an ITSO smart card for these people, if so will they replace Oyster with it across the whole network (Oyster 2.0?)

  • Soinas Doyi
    Soinas Doyi 5 days ago +9

    This is literally just stupidity.

  • DEL
    DEL 5 days ago +2

    Very informative- thank you 😊

  • Xaver Lustig
    Xaver Lustig 5 days ago

    With Contactless, how do you prove you touched in? How do ticket inspectors check?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 5 days ago +1

      As I understand it, the inspector's reader checks your bank details, and when the reader's data is downloaded at the end of the shift the necessary financial transactions are made, including any penalty fares if the bank hasn't recorded a touch-in prior to the time you were inspected.