Patrick Mahomes wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons - Stephen A. | First Take

  • Published on Jan 20, 2020
  • Max Kellerman, Stephen A. Smith and Dan Orlovsky debate whether Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes has had great success because of the offensive weapons he has surrounding him in Kansas City.
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  • Boots
    Boots 13 days ago

    You could say whatever you want. But I believe the best way to describe it is this;
    Mahomes would be like Rodgers without Kelce & Hill.
    They're both great and I'm not saying who's better or whatever. But they're both incredibly talented, don't have a great deff (untill last year Packers deff wasn't that impressive) but one has 2 HOF type weapons (and certainly top 3-5 in the leauge rn) and one just has 1 very good reciever.
    So, am I saying Mahomes wouldn't be great otherwise? No ofc not, but it wouldn't be this obvious.

  • Penny
    Penny Month ago +1

    Stephen A Smith the browns are more stack than the chiefs but they didnt make it to the superbowl. Stop hating

  • Laquan Dorsey
    Laquan Dorsey 2 months ago

    Crazy they hate like that

  • Gran Marquis
    Gran Marquis 2 months ago

    Thank you Steven A. I've been saying this since people start riding his D! He has the fastest receivers in the league lol 😂 it's so shocking that he looks like a great QB!

  • Mauricio Gonzalez
    Mauricio Gonzalez 3 months ago +1

    I searched up Stephen III of Moldavia and I got this.

  • Jim Stokes
    Jim Stokes 3 months ago

    & the world is round. Must be good to get paid to show your stupidity

  • youngbuck0911
    youngbuck0911 3 months ago

    Stephen A asks a question, Max and Dan answer, "timeout timeout timeout".

  • Jeremiah Glass
    Jeremiah Glass 3 months ago

    I knew people would start to dislike mahomes like Brady because people hate greats

  • fleshrocker
    fleshrocker 4 months ago

    Smith worked with similar talent when he was QB. Smith was pretty good. Much respect. Mahomes is better.

  • E K
    E K 4 months ago

    This is a dumb argument. Yes, Mahomes has great players around him. Yes, they make him an even better QB. As others have said, any great QB who has ever played in the NFL has had to have weapons/great players to throw to. If you want to see how good Mahomes is without the best players around him, just go back and look at his TT highlights. He was still slinging the rock to college players, all over the field, just like he does now.

  • TheBestMovieAlive
    TheBestMovieAlive 4 months ago

    Uh duh that’s the same with every QB.

  • Arrick Berry
    Arrick Berry 4 months ago

    Im with stephen a on this one

  • ichigo449
    ichigo449 4 months ago

    In other news water is wet. More at 6 Barb.

  • Richard Idk
    Richard Idk 4 months ago

    Yes he overrated af

  • Joaquin Solis
    Joaquin Solis 4 months ago

    Uhhhh did you watch one of his games from college dude? 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • Lonley_boy999
    Lonley_boy999 4 months ago

    Imagine having Russell Wilson's weapons LMAO if he was on the chiefs they would be god

  • Patrick Mahomes's arm
    Patrick Mahomes's arm 5 months ago

    A QB has to win with dogshit receivers to be a good QB?

  • Rocky Shack
    Rocky Shack 5 months ago

    So we are going to discredit Mahomes' greatness because of his team? Reid is getting the pieces together for his offense THROUGH THE DRAFT! The better question is, "What are the other teams doing out here in their drafts?"
    Tyreek - 5th round
    Kelce - 3rd from Cincinnati, he was a QB
    DeMarcus - 4th "
    Mecole - 2nd "
    Kareem - 3rd from Toledo
    Sammy was our only FA we brought in.
    What is these other teams' excuse?

  • riffle queen
    riffle queen 6 months ago


  • TopDuke
    TopDuke 6 months ago

    Going to be so funny when Mahomes loses most of his weapons and looks so average.

  • childatheart1983
    childatheart1983 6 months ago

    Stephen A's comparison of football to basketball is assenine. Football has designated roles where you HAVE to rely on other players to make plays. Basketball, just because you have your designated spots doesn't mean you can't do something yourself. KD can take over a game himself and not rely on anyone else like Kobe or Lebron. Football has so many other components that all rely on each other for success. The O-line has to hold up the pocket. The WR have to be fast and lose their coverage. Everyone is dependent on other players for opportunities.

  • childatheart1983
    childatheart1983 6 months ago

    Why is no one making the argument doesn't matter how fast the wide receiver is, if the ball doesn't get there because the QB doesn't have the arm strength, velocity and accuracy to match the receiver's trajectory, it doesn't even matter. If the QB doesn't have the decision making skill to decipher in 3-4 seconds whether to dish off to his TE or WR or run it himself while scrambling in the pocket, again it doesn't matter what weapons there are. If the QB can't get the ball there, the weapons don't even matter. That's what Patrick Mahomes brings to the table. Talent combined with football IQ.

  • William Ramirez
    William Ramirez 7 months ago

    thank u mr smith for letting everyone know kansas city will repeat next year and maybe the following they just went thru the biggest W.A.L.L. ever built you;ve been so annoying latety

  • # charles
    # charles 7 months ago

    dont forget these guys were drafted by the chiefs tyreek was 6th round everyone but patrick was a second round pic or more. he has made them great

  • Lebogang Legodi
    Lebogang Legodi 7 months ago

    The greatest player any in every team sport, need compatible players around him. Stop this nonsense that the greatest are great alone without great teammatesy

  • Estro Denaro
    Estro Denaro 7 months ago

    Best WR group in the NFL period

  • Christopher Gutierrez
    Christopher Gutierrez 7 months ago

    Im sorry Stephen A, but this is complete stupidity, give me one great QB that didn’t have a great WR

  • Cheerioss -
    Cheerioss - 7 months ago

    What a hot take by SAS

  • Jrockblam
    Jrockblam 7 months ago

    No one would be as great without their weapons. What a profoundly stupid argument to make. So Brady's legacy is forever in question because his stats aren't the same without Randy Moss as they were with him? Same with Joe Montana without Rice....

  • Bryce Rutt
    Bryce Rutt 7 months ago

    At 1:46 did Dan really say the Rams had Watkins last year? Like come on man!

  • Santiago Molina
    Santiago Molina 8 months ago


  • Corey Gilmore
    Corey Gilmore 8 months ago

    I don’t understand what SAS talking about. Which greats don’t have greats around them, I hate being confused.

  • Shandog southwest
    Shandog southwest 8 months ago

    Of course its the weapons if thats the case he should be a Champ putting his title on the line lol 😭😭😂😂 see how good he is when he cant have them weapons when he get paid lol it hurt dont it next up lol 😂😂😭😭😭 nobody will ever do wat the Goat has done for as long so go kill yall self lol 😭😭😂😂

  • Inner G
    Inner G 8 months ago

    Isn’t that the point is to have a great team not just a quarterback? You are suppose to have skilled teammates lol

  • zaying Hui
    zaying Hui 8 months ago +1

    That’s every qb besides Brady and Rodgers

  • Joe Hurtig
    Joe Hurtig 8 months ago

    Not 1 receiver on the Chiefs roster was drafted in the first round (except Watkins who was drafted by the Bills in 2014...and not a primary target). The receivers that were on the roster before Mahomes were considered good, but not great...they didn’t make Alex Smith great. Face it, Mahomes is a once-in-a-lifetime talent...not question!

  • James Mcclain
    James Mcclain 8 months ago

    This is the dumbest analysis how can a quarterback be good if he doesn’t have a supporting cast people have said oh Tom Brady doesn’t have the weapons to win come on man I’ve never seen a quarterback win a game alone this is a team sport so this conversation is a waste of time that’s like a boxer who is undefeated and good but a person says he hasn’t fought anyone he can’t help it if no one in his class can beat him and he doesn’t duck and dodge anyone stupid conversation

  • Brandon Miley
    Brandon Miley 8 months ago

    The only difference between Alex Smith’s team and Mahomes’ team is one player and that player is Pat Mahomes. Mahomes’ team is a near copy and paste of Smith’s. The WRs, RB, and TE are the exact same. Smith lost to the titans and Mahomes is in the Super Bowl. SAS argument is “completely asinine” and borderline “ blasphemous!”

  • Silent_MajorityUSAF 88
    Silent_MajorityUSAF 88 8 months ago

    Bengals should have hired Eric Bienemy.
    He played for the Bengals in the 90s. He's proven that he can coach. I.dont even wanna get into it.. Makes me mad.
    Yet.. We have Zac Taylor. Smh

  • Mike johnson
    Mike johnson 8 months ago +1

    Facts with the only time I agree with him

  • DennisRadman
    DennisRadman 8 months ago

    QBs had better weapons and looked half as good

  • Michael Herrera
    Michael Herrera 8 months ago

    This is the dumbest thing to ever be said on any show I’ve ever watched. SAS should be fired after this argument.

  • Chris Martinez
    Chris Martinez 8 months ago

    you on crack like lamar odom my guy

  • Mr Boojoui
    Mr Boojoui 8 months ago

    Orlovsky doesn’t belong in this conversation. He’s not smart enough

  • Shakeed Washington
    Shakeed Washington 8 months ago

    The Rams skill position players were better last yr than the Chiefs now and Goff didn't look like Mahomes.. Stephen A trippin

  • Yung Cash
    Yung Cash 8 months ago

    When you building a football team you want the best players u can possibly find YALL STOP HATING ON THE CHIEFS FIRST TAKE

  • Geoff Foster
    Geoff Foster 8 months ago

    Errr ... I'm pretty sure Alex Smith had Tyreek, Kelce and a 1000+ yard running back in Kareem Hunt - which is more than can be said of this Kansas City squad. Don't recall him getting as hot as Mahomes.

  • LowLip McGee
    LowLip McGee 8 months ago

    Newsflash Stephen A, Alex Smith had the exact same Weapons a year before Pat started, what did he ever do with them? Oh yea... NOTHING

  • CQB315
    CQB315 8 months ago

    Mahomes: Kelce, Hill
    Big Ben: Leveon, AB, Juju
    Rodgers: Davante, Aaron Jones
    Brees: Kamara, Thomas
    Matt Ryan: Julio, Ridley
    Dak: Zeke, Cooper
    Jimmy G: Kittle, Sanders, Deebo

    Give Mahomes any of these other weapons, he doin the same thing. Stephen A., im sorry but Williams, Watkins, and Hardman are not elite lol. They're only really good right now because of the greatness of Mahomes.

  • Joe Salinas
    Joe Salinas 8 months ago

    Stephen A Smith just needs to retire because he is constantly wrong about everything foot ball baseball basketball the guy just doesn't get it always wrong give it up Stephen A Smith

  • Ian B
    Ian B 8 months ago

    how could you say that when you keep complaining about Brady needs weapons and LA has them...y'all sound so dumb sometimes

  • Anthony Williams
    Anthony Williams 8 months ago

    SAS: “Hey let’s just make up some bs to cycle over the airwaves”🤔🤔
    Max: hey Stephen A.....
    SAS: Max don’t interrupt me

  • rainbowremo
    rainbowremo 8 months ago

    No QB in the league would be AS good as they are without some of their offensive weapons. That's literally just a fact. Some qbs are able to overachieve with their weapons, like russell wilson, which I don't think mahomes would do as well, but we don't know

  • Daran Thomas
    Daran Thomas 8 months ago

    Stephen A your wrong and here’s why
    Patrick Mahomes is still Patrick Mahomes with or without them weapons they help him more than not but he still is that good flat out and this is coming from a Steelers fan

  • INTRUDE N313
    INTRUDE N313 8 months ago

    Stephen a smith thinks R1 R2 L1 L2 left down right up left down right up is not a cheat code 😂.. he’s all over the place when it comes to football lol

  • William Nimbach
    William Nimbach 8 months ago

    Sure he is in superbowl this year but he still never beat Brady belichick or the Patriots in the playoffs

  • Coach Adam Taylor
    Coach Adam Taylor 8 months ago

    SAS is the worst analyst ever! Did u see Pat Mahomes at TTU? Every qb needs weapons to be successful who hasnt had weapons and still has finished as a great SAS? I'll wait. Dude do you know anything about football.

  • boydnchrist
    boydnchrist 8 months ago

    Skip and Stephen A be sharing notes.

  • Derek D
    Derek D 8 months ago

    I loved Alex Smith when he was here and I wish him the best but if he was still lined up under center instead of Mahomes when we went down 24 points against the Texans it would have been over. In 2017 Smith had Kelce, Hill, AND Hunt and the best we could do was go 10-6 and lose in the Wild Card YET AGAIN. So as talented as the guys around him are Mahomes has been the influencer for the elevation of play not the other way around. Everybody sees it but only the haters don't want to admit it sadly.

  • Matt RG
    Matt RG 8 months ago

    Stephen A made the greatest point of all time directed towards Max at the end saying Durant is only great because of his team mates then out of the other side of his mouth says Mahomes is the greatest! Bang spot on Stephen A salute you

  • Shan 323
    Shan 323 8 months ago

    Would those weapons look as good with tannehill

  • ricky j
    ricky j 8 months ago

    The frog man is going to be tom Brady 2.0. The league is going to make him the face and surround him with all the talent to overinflate his skills

  • J Mac
    J Mac 8 months ago

    Can't agree with Steven A. Smith about this one. He's reaching.

  • Eon Starbuck
    Eon Starbuck 8 months ago

    This is why ESPN sucks.

  • RoadrocketEst57
    RoadrocketEst57 8 months ago +1

    Isn't having the best and most weapons the goal of all teams? Mahomes may the weapon making others great

  • Peter Lazo
    Peter Lazo 8 months ago

    SAS is washed up with his takes now a days

  • Richard Bambenek
    Richard Bambenek 8 months ago +1

    Look at some of the games of Mahomes when he was at Texas Tech. He was great back then. Keep in mind football is a team sport and all players need to contribute to success.

  • Macky Mode
    Macky Mode 8 months ago

    Wow basketball ain't football Stephen A you fail

  • kyle
    kyle 8 months ago +1

    Tom Brady wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    Payton Manning wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    Joe Montana wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    Big Ben wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    Kurt Warner wouldn’t be as great without his offensive weapons
    You can say this about any great quarterback ever. It’s a stupid argument. It’s a team sport.

    • ThreeXDeep
      ThreeXDeep 6 months ago

      Kyle Brady won a super without Gronk his main player down 25 points

  • Butch Davis
    Butch Davis 8 months ago

    Mahomes is out of this world, his weapons and Andy have made him historic. All of it combined are why I'm going around telling people that he's better than Joe Montana and Steve Young ever were ...and I'm right about it too